Meeting Date: Wed Mar 11 2026
Source: Google Doc Link
Summary
Annual plan structure confirmed, detailing 5 epics and core text preparation alongside Vision Partner research progress.
Annual Plan Structure Defined
The Buddhist '26 annual plan structure was shared, divided into 4 quarters with 4 milestones and 4 user stories each. 5 primary epics were defined, including market intelligence and AI dharma intelligence, which are broken down into smaller milestones and user stories.
Core Text Preparation Prioritized
The preparation of Mahayana core texts, specifically those for the Chinese audience, must be finished before the end of the month, requiring text and commentary classification by emotion. Progress on Theravada and Vajrayana core texts confirmed aligning 5 root texts for Dharmapada and finding Tibetan text for Daily Buddhist Chantings.
Vision Partner Research Review
The Vision Partner research is nearly complete with a list of 298 entities, despite difficulties engaging large Taiwanese Mahayana organizations due to established systems and xenophobic tendencies. The decision was made for the research team to rank and select the top 50 potential partners, focusing on scale and potential for successful collaboration to impress others.
Suggested Next Steps
- Ngawang Trinley will ask Michael about the autonomy of the local branches of Bliss Wisdom.
- Ngawang Trinley will assign a developer to help Tashi Dhondup and yeshi lhundup automate the extraction of text and commentaries.
- Jay Yeshe Gyatso and Kevin Shakya will start ranking the potential vision partners, discuss their needs, and list the features and text required.
- Tashi Dhondup and yeshi lhundup will create a plan listing all the tasks needed for the core text work.
- Tashi Dhondup will share the list of Tibetan Buddhist centers and Taiwan with Kevin Shakya and Jay Yeshe Gyatso.
- Kevin Shakya will ask drongbu lobsang (Drew) to grant access for the Google sheets.
- Ngawang Trinley and drongbu lobsang will spend time tomorrow morning to clean up the yearly plan and targets document to ensure it matches what was discussed and agreed upon.
Meeting Transcript
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Mar 10, 2026
# Sprint Planning WB Practice App - Transcript
00:00:00
Jordhen Tenzin: Hello.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Oh, the message.
Jordhen Tenzin: Oh. Are we waiting for Angela?
CommOps Manager: He says he need like 5 to 10 minutes to round up the meeting which is on. He says let us just do a little bit of brainstorming. So I share my screen is just for this. Sorry there are a lot of noises.
Jordhen Tenzin: Okay.
CommOps Manager: The number 34. I share my screen. Can you see my screen? I think it's probably different what you're seeing. Yeah.
Jordhen Tenzin: Yes.
CommOps Manager: So this is actually what we did like a two days we had to meet right the meeting the the the whiteboard actually we wrote everything on the whiteboard. Oh. Okay. to remember. So that is actually that is what I just can you add this to uh ask the AI to make uh like you know Buddhist annual plan. So this is exactly whatever is on the whiteboard. So according to this I asked like I created uh Vimu 26 portal the milestones and user stories.
00:05:49
CommOps Manager: we need to provide. So we have a quarter one, quarter two, quarter three and quarter four. So uh and like we did a little bit of a research and we asked which one is better for us to proceed. We have milestones and stories and KPO the deliverable say and uh it suggested that based on all like whatever Buddhist 226 this a new plan he says there's um milestones and the stories are better for us. So um based on this like a quarter one we have a foundation and research, a quarter two product and pilot, quarter three hybrid expansion and quarter for scale and celebration and each quarter each quarter has like uh it create four milestones and it has uh four user stories according to it And also we have epics number of people it's not a epics and the stories and milestones. So based on our discussion and meeting summary it created five epics. So first one is as market market intelligence and strategic mapping which actually we are doing now and then core digital sa platform AI dharma intelligence hybrid community transformation that is what we are going to focus more on this year and the global brand and advocacy engagement.
00:07:37
CommOps Manager: So why we need a milestone? Why we need epics and why we need a story? We have to specify in terms of annotators based on past years experience. So I give I will show you two examples. Okay. This is from Buddhist creator conventions. Yeah. And from Buddhist create convention we have epics. These are the epics actually. EP epics are bigger stories which we complete one uh big project. So for example it says accommodation award and closing ceremony Katherine the digital asset production opening ceremony these are like a big uh epics and each of the epics has a stories. So if you go here it has one two three to complete this epics we have four stories to complete. Yeah. So this is what we are talking about epics for our uh the year uh one year a project we have five epics. So it says market intelligence and strategic mapping and there are four right can you see four and uh when I ask him to uh assign the epics for each quarter so it asend accordingly.
00:09:08
CommOps Manager: The first quarter it has all all the five uh epics are included but more on epic one and epic 3 and epic other epic four like a three the work amount is very less. Okay. So this is the example and why there's a milestone you know uh if you see this milestone milestones are smaller than the uh epics but somehow it it also has its meaning to complete one of the one part of the epics we need a milestone. So for example here for the convention it says one appropriate venue for the workshop that is one milestone to to complete this milestone. Okay. We have four more tasks. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Could you So if you see how you assign the milestone. So if this is a task this is actually a test card readjusted. Yeah. So once you open this test card, you see there's the milestone here. So this is done. So the last to finish this milestone you see like how many percentage of work you need to complete and how much finished and how much needs to finish.
00:10:32
CommOps Manager: It means there are four to completed and then many are not completed. This is one of the way why we are using epics and milestones and then stories. one another one uh vim Buddhist practice actually this is vim Buddhist practice a tech team is working on this and it for the tech team instead of calling epics they are calling it future so for Buddhist practice app there's a practice futures are like a for example like a practice text reader checkboard personalization, sharing search and connect. So similarly, each of this has a some amount of task to com to finish in order to complete this uh features. So for example, if we click on this, there are 26 tasks or user stories that we have to finish. If you click one example, you just click on this and there's a one user story here. As a reader, I want to blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. And it doesn't have a milestone. You see, this doesn't assign any milestone. This is a small information that I want to tell you to finish.
00:12:06
CommOps Manager: So yeah, can you take it? We do a little bit of a brainstorming about no the milestones for the epic. Yeah. Can you trade the cards for you and call them and then you you guys Okay. Uh like what do you understand mean by epics? Like anybody? Any
Jordhen Tenzin: like you mentioned like a bigger picture like that it's a set of a goal you know which you want to achieve uh which we want to achieve in like a in longer period of time maybe like 6 months or one year I'm not sure about the time duration but it's a bigger He chose
CommOps Manager: other futures? Any other futures for just just see epics and what is the difference between epics and a milestone? What is the the the the biggest difference between them?
Kevin Shakya: Epic is like general uh things and milestone are like like a task to complete. Yeah.
yeshi lhundup: Uh so I thought epics is like a phase one phase two is like a uh the lab something like the how to say it's a different group or package and inside that then we have a small stom inside there.
00:13:59
yeshi lhundup: Maybe two, three, four, five different smaller. But that's what
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: from uh yeah so milestones are uh more detailed. students.
CommOps Manager: the the biggest did you see milestones always represent with the numbers and epics doesn't have number it's like a like a is like for example we have like um you know lot of rain. So, Lord of Rain, one book with a like a small small pro like a chapters, right? Yeah. So, epics like a like a lot of rain chapters a bigger picture and the milestones are within the the chapter and it always represent with the numbers. He says okay 500 like a two evangelist or vision partners seven whatever. So it always has a number of enough cards for the sprint. Okay. Any any any other difference? Yeah.
Jordhen Tenzin: The captain
Ngawang Trinley: Physical. Okay. So yeah uh basically I just wanted to ask uh yeah so you guys created like you know plan already for this print and um yeah that's first thing and then if uh yeah just like you know the general strategy uh you know for this range so uh just from my side uh one suggestion I would have is to you know if you guys Uh yeah uh still keep uh the uh you know the preparation of the core text especially uh you know for the you know the things that are connected to the the Chinese parts Chinese audience.
00:18:03
Ngawang Trinley: Uh so to still keep it going uh because this we have to uh yeah this is part of the targets for this month before the end of this month we need to have like all the yeah the cortex ready and yeah together with uh you know the exploration research and you know what we discussed when you guys were here I think yeah I if you have a plan to keep working on the the core collections that would be great that's doesn't mention I So, so how how are how are we working? So, are Kevin and Jay are you planning together? You're working together.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: So we created a list of uh vision partners and then I think we have uh around 300 uh groups and events. Uh I think uh some of the uh you know the centers or samples AI give it uh to us are kind of you know maybe the data was out of date. So maybe the center is ready uh is not there anymore and so we need to you know check one by one by ourselves.
00:19:50
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: So yeah basically we kind of checking uh they you know still exist or not.
Ngawang Trinley: I see. I see. Do do you have also like the the size? So, do you do you keep all of this like in a spreadsheet somewhere? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Do do you have the size of you know each event or Yeah. community or group?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Uh some of them I'll say. Yeah. Not not all of
Ngawang Trinley: I see. I see.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: them.
Ngawang Trinley: And do do you have like things, you know, we're really specifically interested in things that happened this year. Yeah. So,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Mhm.
Ngawang Trinley: do do in your prompts, do you just like, you know, collect anything or you focus specifically on this year?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Uh I think some uh most of the events are like annual
Ngawang Trinley: Uh
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: or you know some uh uh centers they will have a weekly practice, monthly practice.
00:20:53
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: So yeah so those events are not you know just happen once.
Ngawang Trinley: okay.
Kevin Shakya: Uh Jay,
Ngawang Trinley: Okay.
Kevin Shakya: I think you can you can share the screen or I can share the screen. We can uh we can look at the list together. I think it answers most of the entities uh question actually. Uh it has whether it's monthly or annually. um the activity frequency and also we have another separate sp uh spreadsheet for um events that's actually um on this year's events uh the the the the date is like up to date is like 2026 but uh yeah but some some of them are past past exam um past events of 2023 uh 2026 So actually we are looking for Jay and I we are looking forward to um rank this with uh you together like um like actually there are there are a lot of um um I don't know a lot of a lot of uh groups in this list are actually practically kind of um difficult to cooperate. For example, uh like 60% of the list are actually different branches of uh four major um sas in Taiwanese Mahayana traditional Buddhism and they have their like own list of agenda.
00:22:43
Kevin Shakya: Like after kind of deep researching we find them hard to cooperate. according to according to what they already have and uh according to um like the the the how how they build their community because is it is very um how to say um uh sorry I'm looking for the word that's so oh xenophobic that's so that's that's what they called like anti-forigning things and especially when they they have their own system for example um Dharmad drop this is just an example to how um of how how Jay and I think when we are preparing this list for example um the uh dharmad drum dharmad drum um kind of uh they they actually have their own uh like a library system library like they developed their own feet to uh make it a whole system and they have their app and stuff like um to say to say that we can you know they they have already uploaded their own sutras and practice and stuff and it's just not as advanced like we when we check their uh websites it is built around like 10 years ago or something like that is less advanced than um like you know hello or something but Um it's just like it's just like one with our past experience like if we tell them you know this is really um old uh kind of website and stuff they they would say it's okay it's uh okay to use
00:24:34
Kevin Shakya: and like people didn't find didn't find any difficulty using it like they they have their own systems and stuff like um we we were less confident that they they will be um you know thirsty for our services let's say. Um so and that that's the that's the things with um with the four major um uh four major traditional sas and the there are some local sas local places at the like a bottom of this list. Basically we just um we just we just list everything that exists like there are many more there are probably a hundred more that is listed by um by all the AIS added up uh we tried Gemini and uh cloud and perplexity um many of them are actually extracted from um like you know um legal documents like or something uh like branches of uh uh pure land sect like they they have listed like all the branches in Jang Hua in Unling or something like that or very like local groups is it's called like a class like local class of something uh something of that sort but uh after we we just Google that and then we find it it is actually no longer exists or um or is not shown online.
00:26:13
Kevin Shakya: It just is is just listed in some uh uh uh group list of groups or something like that. So uh after some kind of um arrangement this is what we have 28 298. This is it. But this includes a lot of uh temples. For example, Lan temple or um uh Chungian temple or something like that. they like they the the they they hold some exam uh wholesome um activity or events but is not um it's more like local or traditional is more functional than uh than like sutra reciting or something like that. Yes. But basically uh I would say 60% are belong to um those big groups just different branches of big groups.
Ngawang Trinley: just different. Okay. Okay.
Kevin Shakya: Okay, that's it.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay.
Kevin Shakya: Okay.
Ngawang Trinley: Great. So,
Kevin Shakya: Uh how long
Ngawang Trinley: uh how long do you think it will take to finish um you know doing this research? So that yeah that's one question. The my other question is do you actually put a note you know why this is difficult or something like this when you you know of what you just described because I guess these are things that are will be useful and yeah how long do you think it will take to finish this uh
00:27:43
Ngawang Trinley: list is looking at the
Kevin Shakya: I think actually it's finished like roughly like finished.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Kevin Shakya: We we check everything everything here is like exist and uh and effective let's say but uh in terms of the collaboration difficulty we actually don't put notes uh why is because uh uh this this collaboration difficulty is made by German and according to our needs like uh we we set it to our needs and it it check whether they are um using text or not and whether they have their own um digitalization or not. So for example if if it it uses it uses text but they don't have they don't provide hybrid uh use of the text and it's like low and uh for example uh these they don't they don't use text because the things they are doing is uh meditation and so therefore um German I put it as Hi, this is some this is somehow uh the logic behind how is it is listed. So um we Jay and I think like uh today this meeting we are going to rank all this and according to how we discuss and then we will rerank all this and uh select uh like maybe top top 50 uh potential vision partners or something like that.
00:29:28
Kevin Shakya: that this list is like uh it's like valid for now. We we're not going to change edits anymore for now.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: And I think if we uh add, you know, 200 uh more uh events or groups is not going to be too helpful because uh uh we already have the some of the most famous and the biggest events groups is already all in this list. So, so it's not going to be helpful if we complete you know uh till 500 and uh and also I've in my opinion u I actually suggest we can work with some groups or events we already are more familiar with or maybe they're uh representative uh maybe we we know them better because uh we can work together uh from now and then they can tell us u what they need and then we can have a deeper uh discussion on what kind of features uh they need and if we are working with some groups or events we don't know them I don't think we can know have discussion with them Yeah,
00:31:01
Ngawang Trinley: I see.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: I see.
Ngawang Trinley: So I mean the the size is going to be very important too. So if it's just like you know people I mean groups we know but uh you know very small groups etc. Maybe we'll spend a lot of time uh but for not that much you know impact at the end in terms of numbers. Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. I was no worry
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: And I'm also worry about the tech problem because if we work with like for example Suchi or you know Buddha light and they maybe their events are like uh 10 more than 10,000 or 20,000 uh people uh attended in this kind of events but if we give them some app which is not really functionable I think it kind of ruin our uh You know how how do you call that? Uh yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Reputation.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah. Reputation.
Ngawang Trinley: you have reputation of
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Kind of Yeah.
00:32:00
Ngawang Trinley: course.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: I kind of worry about that.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. Yeah. That's a very good point. So yeah,
Kevin Shakya: Listen.
Ngawang Trinley: so that's why I think we we should we should keep like I mean um if what you plan for so so yeah do you have a plan for this uh sprint?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Uh
Ngawang Trinley: So you two what what is yeah what are the the main tasks you'll work on this week and next week and out of this basically how much time and what uh can you do for the the part of like you know um working on the core text uh in the app. So this will need some contribution to that too. Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: I think we better start ranking them uh as soon as possible and then we can maybe discuss with them and then you know to to list off the features or you know what kind of text they need. So, what do you
Kevin Shakya: Red.
Ngawang Trinley: uh what I what I think on this is basically we I know as we discussed last time so there are two things so one thing is the the core text that we prepare anyway uh so for the mahana um you know thing basically bodh seven practices tara that's it for mahayana we had like the heart sutra diamond sutra and then uh amitava mantra or Actually the uh uh what's his name?
00:33:43
Ngawang Trinley: Samadra prayer is also like very very much recited very much. Yeah. Uh yeah. So basically as soon as we have these then what we need is you know some um uh you know text based plans uh you know based on the text the content of this text. Yeah. So we we need to have like uh you know we have like the the list of topic of uh emotions you know like anxiety and you know whatever and basically we need to use like you know Gemini or whatever to um you know find the most useful citations for uh let's say uh yeah anger to manage anger to manage you know this and that and basically once we have this we can you know add them directly to the uh you know to the app. So basically there's some content which is relevant to uh you know Chinese speaking Buddhists and which is directly useful. So I think yeah uh Kevin you were talking about also like you know these wisdom citations which are useful and so yeah but we basically this is the the work we need to do is prepare the text get the text and commentaries.
00:34:50
Ngawang Trinley: So I think like for this cortex actually a lot has already already been done but we have to double check make sure that you know the most important commentaries are covered. Yeah. And then uh classify by uh emotion. Yeah. So the this is work that needs to be done. I think should be done this print uh because otherwise it won't be ready by the end of month. Yeah.
Kevin Shakya: Okay. Um I think uh uh Jay can you go to the other spreadsheets of the events like a listed um like the the scale of the size from uh uh yeah from the most populated to uh few hundreds to few thousands and to few thousands to few 10 thousands to a few thousands and to uh like several 10ish or less than 100. This is like uh the major events but uh it varies from um uh right different groups. Okay. So the column F is like the scale and uh as for the cortex I think we have all the core text kind of uh ready uploaded in the uh literary Chinese section classical Chinese but it's just that um last time we found uh difficulty uh putting out the translation and alignment and also uh commentaries.
00:36:32
Kevin Shakya: So um like that's why last uh last week is it is not done like we we actually whenever we got time we're trying to upload some of the things uh translation adaptation alignment and stuff. So um now we can we can start uh doing it if if the tech is ready and then we think this sprint or like give us like um a week we can finish this um we can finish the core text of Chinese Buddhism of course and uh if if like uh you know Bali and other thing needs also need uh upload I think we can we can do this because this is Actually the the most difficult part of this is basically um uh to to know how to use this cataloger. Um and every time we spend a lot of time like uh trying to know how to use this and trying to fix the problems. But uh I think otherwise the other part is rather easy and I I think we we need to uh if not groups but I think we can decide which uh events we're going to uh survey or asking for their willingness in this meeting because uh like there's only 33 33 uh big to small events that are listed.
00:38:09
Kevin Shakya: here if we can uh go through them and yeah maybe maybe it'll be it'll be it' be good to start from okay so further
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. Okay. So, so for the for the text,
Kevin Shakya: further I think we
Ngawang Trinley: I think we should just like um Yeah, for the text.
Kevin Shakya: further
Ngawang Trinley: One second. I don't know why the it doesn't stop there. Okay. So, for the text, uh I think actually we can just like, you know, do what we did with um uh Abid Dharma. basically just prepare the text in Google Docs uh just like we yeah we did last time and now I think the the main work and you know for uploading we can uh yeah we could even ask like you know some other people to do it because once the the files are aligned then it's quite easy to do that. So um that's one thing and the the other thing is like for the core collection the main work is really to create these you know selection of let's say for example the 20 most relevant citations for anxiety from you know the core text of the um you know the Mahana uh tradition.
00:39:30
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. And then same thing for the ter of tradition same thing for virgin tradition. Do we want to have you know for each of the takes for example we take the yeah uh heart sutra the uh diamond sutra and maybe the santa prayer. So out of these three what are the you know 20 best citations you know to handle uh stress to handle anger to handle you know this kind of things. Yeah. So this part actually is now I think is the yeah will be like the most important thing because as soon as we have this then we can populate you know the different emotions in the app just with citations. Okay. Uh yeah so I guess that's that that's that's the main thing to do with the cortex and once the cortex are done with this then we can move on to uh yeah basically then once you have identified the uh major event and uh yeah the vision partners we want to work work with you know this year in Taiwan. Uh yeah then we can you know see what they need you know how to yeah which takes they need etc. But the the cortex should be finished before Yeah.
00:40:38
Ngawang Trinley: Um
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Okay. So I have some question about you know how to categorize uh you know the citations. For example like in the heart sutra I think the most famous citation is you know form is emptiness emptiness is form form is not other than empty you know this citation how to categorize this because it it kind of solve every problem right. Uh
Ngawang Trinley: Uh I think actually using uh commentaries will be very helpful. So um yeah I'm sure like you know in the Chinese tradition I mean for this text you'll have some commentaries that tell some stories and give like you know some more context etc. So actually getting information from the commentaries I think will will help a lot. uh like you know the Dharmabada for example has every country has like you know different commentaries with local stories and local you know kind of versions of how to you know how it is relevant. Uh so yeah I mean that that's how I would do it. Yeah and again we don't need to classify every piece of text.
00:41:45
Ngawang Trinley: It's mainly about like finding the most useful citation out of the text for you know specific thing and the the same citation can be used you know in different context too. If the same citation is useful both for anger and for anxiety you know of course it should be you know part of uh both uh you know problems. Yeah. Okay, I have a question with your list just like before we move on to the next thing. So basically here do you actually did you also include like you know major like empowerments or uh you know teaching or something like this which happened only this year like you know for example satin coming and giving an empowerment or you know that's you know kind of big thing or yeah this kind of stuff. No.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Uh I I don't think we uh have any we put any empowerments in this uh list. Yeah. Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: That will be written.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Where do you put this?
Ngawang Trinley: Um,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Um,
00:42:59
Ngawang Trinley: what's the reason?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: um, actually I I don't really uh
Ngawang Trinley: Sure.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: think about this. So I didn't think about this. So yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: So I didn't
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. Yeah. May maybe that's something you know to add like you know things that are specifically that just happened this year not not only the recurrent like you know annual you know kind of things. Yeah. And so so yeah even if it happens just one time if it has like you know a big audience
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah. Whatever.
Ngawang Trinley: and whatever then we get like you know people to be familiar with our app and you know start to use it basically. So I think still relevant especially I mean I'm just familiar with the the Tread and Buddhist events of course like empowerments etc. But if there's anything similar you know one famous monk or whatever who comes from China or from you know Japan or something like this and I yeah I have no idea basically for you know in the local communities I think that would be great.
00:44:07
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. H.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah,
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: we we discussed about the kaju mulum and the gilu mulum and uh the you know these are once a year but the timing is not uh how how how you say that it's not fixed it's always sometimes like early in the year or maybe sometimes in the end of the year right it's like even the gurum so yesterday we were like research on when they are actually organizing the gurun. So gurumbo sometimes it's in July and sometimes it's just after the new year it's April and all. So that's why we like did not specifically focus on those things, but it's a good like option.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. Okay. So b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b basically for this this sprint. So you finish this this list, identify like you know the the the top like events or groups to work with and then uh you know try to finish the uh cortex for Mayanizer, right?
00:45:34
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Sure. We will work on that. Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Okay. So,
Ngawang Trinley: So uh what about Yand and Dan D? What's your plan for this quarter? I mean it's a this printer.
Tashi Dhondup: Let's see.
yeshi lhundup: Yeah, your lesson.
Tashi Dhondup: Check.
yeshi lhundup: Uh yeah, I can do the switch again.
Tashi Dhondup: Okay.
yeshi lhundup: Okay.
Tashi Dhondup: Check it out.
yeshi lhundup: Uh oh my English is also broken. If you don't understand it, please say what is that? You know and uh you know this uh actually we are not study research we focus on the text uh dharmapa. Last time we did first root text, English and then I did English but uh uh Hindu did the also Bali and Hindi. uh so we have total five root text and beside that right now I'm working on commentary and commentary uh what I did is first one is align with the root text and second one is also keep the citations because it's exactly same where their citations we I I didn't merge because it's very difficult we don't know exactly what's this so it's uh it's try to make a very accurate has their own website.
00:47:53
yeshi lhundup: So that's is what I'm doing and dandrul also another uh text it's related to prayer right
Tashi Dhondup: Daily Buddhist chantings.
yeshi lhundup: uh daily uh Buddhist ending so he working on that till now we not uh research about our partners and uh I think it's still this my text I think it's a tech take more time maybe at least I think uh three more days to finish one text because it's very big and now I little bit more used to it where I need cut and things and pop more faster so I finished 150 verses but they have 423 words so still left and uh this this uh how to say the commentaries is not like a Tibetans. It's maybe one verse is explained sometimes four or five pages and it's explained very long. So it's a take a little bit a longer time and after that if you need to English commentary again same like that I think all these two weeks I think uh need that
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. Okay. So I Okay. Um I Yeah.
00:49:23
Ngawang Trinley: I wanted actually to ask Kevin and Jay uh for the So with the research you're doing since you're doing research for Taiwan, you're basically covering also the Tibetan centers and Tibetan events, Tibetan Buddhist events too. Yeah. So I guess like Tundr and uh yes don't need to do that research again or is it needed? I mean yeah that that's my first question. Is it better they do the research again on Tibet just for Tibetan things or basically the research you did covers uh you know
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: I don't think we our research cover everything because some of the
Jordhen Tenzin: I hear you.
Ngawang Trinley: everything.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: centers kind of you know secret and they keep it secretly and we can't find anything about them and you know if you Google it maybe it's just something registered in the the government site uh website so kind of hard. Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: No, no, but I mean like specifically the uh you know you guys cover all the you know kind of like uh high-profile large scale you know kind of meetings
00:50:30
Kevin Shakya: profile.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: So yeah,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: things that are secret and we cannot find any information about, I don't think we we want to collaborate with them anyway.
Kevin Shakya: I
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah. I think basically our research cover uh the most
Ngawang Trinley: service
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: uh maybe popular uh Tibetan senders. Yeah. So I don't think you need to do it again. But actually is in Chinese, you know, the the name is in Chinese. Maybe it's hard for you to read. Yeah.
Tashi Dhondup: All
Ngawang Trinley: at least.
Kevin Shakya: think our list basically covers uh what we know of course and what we can
Tashi Dhondup: right.
Kevin Shakya: find on the internet. So um yeah we we actually yeah sometimes sometimes
Ngawang Trinley: Let's
Kevin Shakya: we suddenly come up with with a name and is actually in the list. So it covers what uh like uh our our range of uh knowledge to our to of uh J and I so to speak and uh all three traditions of course.
00:51:43
Kevin Shakya: Uh but they are very little um terraada um group in Taiwan of course. Yeah. mostly Mahayana and we actually have like equal if we if we say because uh Jay and Jay and I we oh because the bliss wisdom is classified as Tibetan Buddhism so that's why but we have like a equal like mo mostly equal numbers of Tibetan and Mahayana Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Oh, bliss wisdom is very big or was
Kevin Shakya: Yeah, it is very big and it has many local uh classrooms. So one of the things we need to discuss is that do we put them in separate or do we unify them under a branch of bliss wisdom because we we don't actually know whether they have this autonomy or not like uh can we if if we say okay we just go to contact a local classroom and uh what if they actually decided to test but they they actually don't have this authority to uh you know to say okay we want to collaborate with you and uh maybe they need to report to the higher orders or something like that.
00:53:08
Kevin Shakya: So we put them now as separate but actually is um is is not so meaningful as we put it in the list like they are all local branches of uh of a of a big group let's say.
Ngawang Trinley: up. Up.
Kevin Shakya: So basically a hundred of them are just like this something like this like Taipei branches you know shin branches muta branchesho branches yeah A
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. See, I see. I think maybe um yeah, in terms of whether they have autonomy or not, probably the best would be to ask uh Michael. You remember we did like a beta testing with him last year. So, he he was actually in he studied with them for I think 10 years, 12 years, something like this. He he did like, you know, the full program twice a week, you know, classes, etc. So, I think he he will have a very good idea. Okay. Okay. Great. So that means yeah probably Y and Tendrew uh maybe for this sprint you you guys could actually just like focus on the yeah the tervada and the vagina cortex.
00:54:18
Ngawang Trinley: So if we can finish this you know this print. So maybe we can have like another I mean we should have a document and you know some somewhere to uh you know to list like all the different tasks that are needed to be done. And then one thing that we should do is you know once you know where to get information how to you know put it together manually. Uh we should I'll get one programmer to be your helper and you should actually just like you know contact that programmer and say okay so this is actually what we're doing manually. Uh how can we automate that and uh is there a way to you know do this more efficiently? So there might be some ways because there's most of these sources actually have some databases and you know the apps we can extract the data from the app. Uh if it's like a Android app any Android you can just like you know get the the app and you know open it and get like the information from it. So I I think there might be some ways to you know do things more efficiently especially when extracting like you know text and commentaries etc. Yeah.
00:55:21
Ngawang Trinley: uh but the the I mean you guys still need to do the work manually at least you know for a few days so you really understand you know where is the data what is the connection between things what are the problems etc then you can share it with uh you know programmers who can you know try to uh you know automate the things um yeah so that's one way to do it another way would be to you know just like you know use code and so maybe yeah Kevin would be better at this just because of the English uh language and so basically yeah code is actually quite good also at uh extracting data and writing code to do things etc but yeah maybe it's going to be a little bit too tricky yeah anyway okay so yeah so maybe if you guys uh Tundr and Y maybe if you can you know try to come up with a plan at least you know like all the things that need to be done that you know about and then uh yeah and then I'll put you I'll assign a developer, you know, to help you guys.
00:56:27
Tashi Dhondup: Okay.
yeshi lhundup: Okay.
Tashi Dhondup: the I already finished the uh daily uh Buddhist chant already uh make oier and then I just separate the body and the English separately and now I try to find the different text from Tibet I think in Tibet Tibetan it's a available or no I'm just find find it but actually my plans for this morning But it's accidentally something happened. So this morning I just take leave. So now I just start it's finally searching Tibetan. If they are Tibetan then I just make align these three languages. And if they're not Tibetan then maybe I can start another.
yeshi lhundup: Yeah. Uh now I need to ask one question. So the once I finish the Pali then I needed to do that English commentary translation. That's one same I I found English there. So there we have one pali commentary and English uh align with
Ngawang Trinley: of for which
yeshi lhundup: root text the how to say dhama
Ngawang Trinley: one?
yeshi lhundup: dhamapata
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:54
Ngawang Trinley: There there are many translations. So, but we need to basically can you can you just like you know create a plan with you know list of the different things and where you found the information etc. then we can review it and see how to yeah how to do it you know as efficiently as possible.
yeshi lhundup: Okay.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah.
yeshi lhundup: uh just before say that right I need with the talk with detective because some are little bit confused is sometimes three words uh together explained so that's maybe uh quite difficult to give automatic number I don't know last time we have many discussions now the tech team where they reached I don't know long time we not talk about that No,
Ngawang Trinley: So three three verses of commentary for one verse of uh retextim.
yeshi lhundup: three three words and uh together explain like
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah,
yeshi lhundup: one.
Ngawang Trinley: this is this is fine. This is fine.
yeshi lhundup: Okay.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah, this is fine.
yeshi lhundup: Okay. Okay.
Tashi Dhondup: Buddhist.
drongbu lobsang: Check out
00:59:15
Ngawang Trinley: Can you just Yeah, please create a plan.
drongbu lobsang: that you and me.
Ngawang Trinley: You and Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Yes. Okay. I have a
Ngawang Trinley: decided to
Tashi Dhondup: No sign double
drongbu lobsang: question. I have a question.
Tashi Dhondup: charging.
drongbu lobsang: So,
Ngawang Trinley: tell.
drongbu lobsang: um uh like you know uh just for ent so for like you know for the the sprint. So actually our board is empty now. Nothing is there. There's no sprint plan. There's nothing is there. Are we following the sprint uh like you know working process or are we doing like you just give them work and they just do it. So that is my question. First question.
Ngawang Trinley: There is no no of course of course we should like you know add like uh you know cards in the the sprint. Uh so I think um in terms of like you know the detail of the card etc. Uh so um yeah since since here we're not really doing like you know an experiment I mean it's really work that's going that is quite different you know for each thing I if you guys think that uh you know having you know all the test card learning card etc is too complicated we can simplify a little bit uh but uh you know all the tasks should be documented for sure so having you know basically I think we really need to
01:00:52
Ngawang Trinley: have like the two levels uh so we know you know what is the API you know what is the main task you know we're working on and basically how this is split into multiple subtasks uh so for example right now like you know J and Kevin you guys are working on the you know create doing this research and you know creating the list etc and so uh yeah just if we have to redo it or if we need to get like you know uh feedback from someone if someone wants to help or whatever uh having it documented I think is very good and it's also going to be uh yeah I think it's a a good thing to do. I don't think it should take you know that much time. Uh yeah so I think we should we should do we we should like definitely they document like you know the task and uh you know subtask assigned like you know to uh different people. So here you have like the different epics. What are you showing? Um, all
01:01:52
drongbu lobsang: for last few days in between I was uh trying to do the road map actually what we had on the uh whiteboard and just make it like a document based on this I just uh created the road map a new plan and then I created the road map with the milestones and the user stories based on that I just ask him to create uh epics also so that means we are having epics milestones Epics with the milestones and user stories.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah, I think all the a lot of the names here are very Gemini, you know, thing. The digital SA platform. This I think this is just like Gemini creating new new names. I think this this kind of stuff we need to clean
drongbu lobsang: Yeah,
Ngawang Trinley: up.
drongbu lobsang: this is this is not to be discussed because this is I just for like you know for just look at this
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: because we have something at least.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. I know. I know.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
01:03:03
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: So we have to clean up this everything even from the annual plan itself there might be some differences are there. So there are all we need to clean up especially I remember there is something called especially phase two pillar two has so many things that which actually even I can't understand so that might we have to need to clean up yeah so that means we
Ngawang Trinley: And so,
drongbu lobsang: need to follow the the milestone epic and like a story kind of
Ngawang Trinley: Sure,
drongbu lobsang: uh like a walking style right Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: we need to uh yeah, we definitely need need to work in an organized way. Uh otherwise, you know, it's just going to I mean, time goes very fast if we we just like, you know, spend time on many different things. Uh yeah, so I think what I propose is that uh yeah, tomorrow morning I spend some time with you, clean this up like at the year level. So based on discussions, you know, we had the brainstorming etc. I still have you know all of it in mind and then we can yeah basically yeah the mile not the milestones I mean the milestones and epics are very similar I mean the mileston are the results of the epics yeah so so right now I think for this print yeah we we just like you know give a good I mean a good name so there there was the research part I forgot what we wrote there uh yeah so this is basically assigned
01:04:32
Ngawang Trinley: to uh you know Kevin and Okay. Uh add it to the board you know as uh you know uh main parent issue basically and then we can add like you know the subtask you know on that and basically uh you know uh yeah once a week when we meet we can just like you know go through the board and say okay so here this is done this is done this is blocked you know whatever. Uh so what what I want to say is just like you know if you guys uh think so this is more like you know something I think it's good time to revise a little bit like you know the content of the cards maybe even like you know the think build measure you know learn etc uh so from experience like you know working with the for example the convention uh you know they they've preferred to use different terms instead of like you know think build measure learn uh to have to do ongoing done which is you know pretty much you know similar or yeah there's revision or whatever uh so we can you know simplify or change you know like you know a few names uh you know if it helps you know to work more efficiently uh but yeah I think just having broad uh milestones having like you know main task or stories no or apex and then have like you know some smaller you know tasks that we are working on and we know who's working on what uh what we're collaborating on and we So everyone has clarity and can work uh more or less as a team.
01:05:58
Ngawang Trinley: Uh yeah, I think we we should do that. What do you guys think? Any thought on
drongbu lobsang: Yeah,
Ngawang Trinley: But
drongbu lobsang: if you have any suggestions try tell now otherwise you know I remember last year like some people are not willing um is
yeshi lhundup: means like I don't
Ngawang Trinley: yeah,
yeshi lhundup: know
drongbu lobsang: This doesn't matter.
Ngawang Trinley: basically it doesn't have to I mean it shouldn't be a burden basically like it shouldn't be like you know something we do
drongbu lobsang: I mean,
Ngawang Trinley: just uh because we are asked to do it. This is really just supposed to be a tool that actually helps us to be more organized and collaborate better. Yeah, that's it.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: It's what I mean is not because you you don't like or you are like how how you say that just for the sake of the work you are not it's because of you don't like it it's because other people need it. So if 10 people need it, I think it's worth you to do it rather than you just do it as sake of indirectly if you say it's like just sick of whatever it is.
01:07:27
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. And so now even your contract it's very clearly says that you have to follow whatever the the the was say the organization give you like a like a working structure that you have to follow. So last year it was a it was a kind of uh I say it's like a a kind of unhappy moments with uh some of the people you know so you know that it's very clear that uh even says you need that follow that working structure but if we need to change you can give us suggestion and uh we are ready to change but then once we already decided we need to follow this I think please follow it that's what my my this uh small request it's not also difficult actually everybody look you know you are doing like very well actually last year was most of the time like it was very uh good another thing like what I want to mention is uh do we need a team leader not me and Jord except to exclude me and Jordan.
Ngawang Trinley: So I think we have different I mean we have two teams of two people.
01:08:51
Ngawang Trinley: So I think yeah you guys should be able to if it's just like you know yeah two teams of two people
drongbu lobsang: to
Ngawang Trinley: the work won't be I mean it will be yeah you'll be working on you know different things. So I'm not sure uh between uh I mean for each team of two I I'm not sure if we need like you know one person who's leading
drongbu lobsang: synchronize the team you know that is what I mean that if you two team two two team work separately maybe at some point they need to work together also do you think so like maybe no I don't know I'm not sure that's the reason Why?
yeshi lhundup: Well, we keep some time and maybe then two weeks, three weeks we know then we will because right now like a two team only two two I think it's that's what I'm think maybe no need at present team leaders because only two two like that but after two three weeks we maybe oh we feel like oh we need maybe one team leader then we flat one.
01:10:08
yeshi lhundup: That's what I feel.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. Yeah, I I think we we can start like this. I think it's good to just like keep everything in the same board. Uh we can just like put everything in the same board. So if there are some overlapping task uh then you know it's easy to see and you know everyone like you know basically can follow uh you know what's happening when needed. But yeah I don't really have any any other thought on that. Yeah. So yeah, in terms of workflow given, do you have any uh feedback?
Kevin Shakya: Uh, no, no, nothing specific.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. So maybe yeah if you guys you know prefer okay maybe just think about it and you know by tomorrow or something like this if you guys prefer like you know for example to have I mean you can look up you know the different styles of boards and uh you know the issues etc. Uh yeah, if you have like you know some preference, some feedback, you know,
yeshi lhundup: Yeah.
01:11:12
Ngawang Trinley: just uh let us know and then we can you know adjust the way uh you know things are. It's Yeah, it's really
yeshi lhundup: Yeah. That's one just before all I say that right sprint maybe little bit more simple is I think it's a sometimes we work very very hard the up there and finally the reach always the same you know the value purpose everything we think work very hard but finally when you reach there two three hours spent there but finally the result down always almost feel like the same whether we work that or not but what I realized that If we really start a new project like a new project then we need to really focused because then we need know all of that but actually generally almost like all our uh purpose uh the target is almost the same you know then each one is changed a little bit is not much I don't know it's sometimes very hard to uh that's the uh what I experienced last year but it's good to uh work on the there but maybe a little bit more simple one I think that will be if a new project then we need to exactly last process like a three month we have a very specific project or I don't know or two weeks this is like a very special one then I think need like that team work together all team come and
01:12:46
yeshi lhundup: meeting everyone come you know everyone need to contribute and I bless
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. So, what what would be the uh this year?
yeshi lhundup: you.
Ngawang Trinley: Do you have like you know some uh as you said like some special projects that actually require you know more in-depth research? Yeah.
yeshi lhundup: You ask me for
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah.
yeshi lhundup: example
Ngawang Trinley: I ask you so for this year basically what is the you know this year what is the main work that you're supposed to do you and any questions
yeshi lhundup: maybe something like once we re at maybe a research time maybe we can do that because it's one project right and maybe I don't know after one month then we uh going to the approach the person before that we need prepare right I think need preparation for document or I don't know training how to present them maybe that time I think need all team work together I
Ngawang Trinley: I
drongbu lobsang: I think I understood what is idea.
yeshi lhundup: think yeah that I don't know what I feel like something
01:13:48
drongbu lobsang: Yeah, she was saying actually last year we have this when we doing the uh practice plan
yeshi lhundup: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: for the people actually we need to create the value proposition uh empathy and
Ngawang Trinley: think
drongbu lobsang: everything for this I don't think we need to create the don as long as we have uh the epics uh milestones and uh test card do you get it so for preparation itself creating value proposition empathy map itself is like a huge work actually. So last year we could do the interview right we do the empathy interview and based on the empathy interview we create the value proposition empathy map and everything and then we get the user story based on the user story we create the practice plan but this time maybe we don't need that thought just directly
Ngawang Trinley: directly.
drongbu lobsang: go Based on the epics, milestones and test card.
yeshi lhundup: Yeah, maybe like
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah, that's right. That's right. No,
yeshi lhundup: that.
Ngawang Trinley: so so my question was okay, so basically you know how many times this year uh actually it's the same you know for us I think but basic uh no for uh Jen Kevin too.
01:15:04
Ngawang Trinley: So how many um you know empathy map how many research you know uh user need research will you need to do this year? That's my uh isn't do you understand my question?
yeshi lhundup: How many?
Ngawang Trinley: So you said okay we I agree we we should we shouldn't be doing like you know empathy maps etc every sprint.
yeshi lhundup: How many?
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah but in this year in 2016 how many times actually do you need to to do you know like you know this research by really understanding you know who's the audience what are their needs uh you know value proposition what are we actually you know proposing does it really match align with you know what their uh they need etc. How many times will you need to do uh this research?
yeshi lhundup: That's neat thing. Really need
Ngawang Trinley: So, so this this actually um Okay. So, so this basically reminds me that we need to uh Yeah, we need to have like a way to for everyone on the team. So, one thing that we need is you know the year's targets.
01:16:13
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. We agreed on targets,
yeshi lhundup: Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: you know, when you guys were here. Yeah. Uh so, basically, if you had if you have the targets in mind, you should be able to answer right away. Yeah. How many um you know vision partners are you supposed to work with this year?
yeshi lhundup: We said 15, right? Oh, each person two,
Ngawang Trinley: Two.
yeshi lhundup: two.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay. Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Ngawang Trinley: Total eight. So two. Yeah. So So basically you need to do the the research for each uh you know person you work with. Is that right? That's it. So you should have been able to say I just need to do this two two times. Yeah. That's it because you yeah if you do it one time even if you take like you know one full sprint you know two full weeks just doing the research veryens extensively etc uh you know it's fine but basically this just needs to be planned and so we need to make sure that uh yeah uh yeah that's it okay so I I think that's that's very good so basically on the you know for the yearly plan with the targets etc document that Lozong did that tomorrow I'll spend time with him we'll clean this up and make sure that it matches
01:17:21
Ngawang Trinley: with what was discussed in a grid uh you know at the beginning of the week uh I mean last week and uh yeah and then uh yeah you guys you know can add like you know the uh you know the AP what what you guys are working on uh just document basically what you guys are working on you know during the sprint on the board based on that and so at the end of this sprint we can just like review are we on track or not and if we're not on track you know what's the issue or how can we improve etc etc Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Anything else for today's meeting? All right.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: So, uh I think for the ranking part, do we uh so me me and Kevin, you know, do it ourselves or we work with Yashi and Andrew?
Ngawang Trinley: And he soon.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Jesus.
Ngawang Trinley: No, I I think you guys should work on it because the Yeah, actually doing the research in Chinese anyway will be very difficult and so but as soon as you have like you know the results then they will reach out to the top like you know uh Tibetan uh you know llamas and you know people in your list and then do some uh what was it like there's a pre-screening or whatever I forgot the first part and then ranking and then you're re reaching out to them etc. Yeah.
01:18:54
Ngawang Trinley: So, so basically they they won't do it this print. They will start to work on this next sprint and this print they'll just focus on the um uh you know the core collections for the app. Yeah. Uh but for the the Chinese text basically as soon as you guys are done with that then you can join them and let let's try to finish like you know all the core collections uh this rank for the the tree traditions. Yeah.
Tashi Dhondup: Uh I have one thing to say is uh that for Kan and J we already have some list of Tibetan Buddhist centers and Taiwan already have it will work for you guys or no I'm not Sure. If you think it will work for you, then we can share with
Kevin Shakya: Okay, just uh share with us. Can you give us the sheets?
Tashi Dhondup: you
Kevin Shakya: And uh I I'm I'm think uh we two two sheets should overlap a lot. Uh they should be overlapping and uh we see what we are what uh important centers we've messed up and um we will add basically we will add it into uh what list.
01:20:08
Kevin Shakya: Okay.
Tashi Dhondup: Okay,
Kevin Shakya: Okay. Thank
Tashi Dhondup: sure.
yeshi lhundup: So I a little bit confused. So after we this spring finish, so we don't need to reage again, right? Then we just uh what what they did we slept maybe some of them what we uh we collect we slept from them right? What I mean is the list of what researcher J and
Ngawang Trinley: Yes.
yeshi lhundup: Gavin.
Ngawang Trinley: Yes. And if you I mean if you have some feedback to give or ideas or things that you think are missing from the list uh you know just tell them they can you know improve the you know the list they're creating. But yeah, since the list I mean the research has to be done in Chinese, I I don't think Tundran you're Chinese will be enough to to do very do much.
yeshi lhundup: Yeah, I help us.
Ngawang Trinley: Yeah. Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Uh I think uh maybe we should work on some
yeshi lhundup: Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: you know small or medium scale events or groups to gain some experience and maybe uh the next uh half year when we can work on you know bigger events I think we'll be more safe.
01:21:28
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: What do you think? So good.
Ngawang Trinley: So could yeah that's something I think we should discuss uh yeah I mean we can discuss this uh at the end of the sprint or you know once you have the list and so I mean there are different ways to do that I mean I'm just like throwing some ideas so you can think about it but we we need some proper discussion about it and also with the team in India uh so we could do this we could also just focus on you know one or to like very um promising uh uh you know partnerships uh one or two very promising partnerships where you know it's pretty much guaranteed that it's going to work. So we have an example to show uh you know other people. So we go and show them oh that's how we collaborate with you know and yeah it works very well for this community so probably it's going to work for your community then it's easier to reach reach out to them. So there there are yeah different ways we could do that.
01:22:23
Ngawang Trinley: Uh but yeah, we we should that's something we should definitely you know discuss too. Yeah.
Kevin Shakya: Okay, Drew. Um, please uh grant access like uh yeah for the Google sheets and also if that's is if that is the case like just as J and N said so how should we rank how should we rank them according to according to what factors?
Ngawang Trinley: Science.
Kevin Shakya: according to size or according to um or what how should we
Ngawang Trinley: The grant.
Kevin Shakya: rank the uh you know the willingness the ability to uh to to collaborate what is the what is the factor here I think we should have different rankings
Ngawang Trinley: I think we should have different rankings. Yeah,
Kevin Shakya: okay we should we should definitely
Ngawang Trinley: we we we should we should definitely have a ranking by size. One second. Oh, okay. Uh we should definitely have a ranking by size and uh also like a ranking you know by uh you know how promising it is. Uh I think like there's some terms for this.
01:23:27
Ngawang Trinley: I think we're talking about like you know in business uh people talk about leads and then there's uh yeah there's a few terms like this. think you know basically yeah we should we should have like know different ways to rank this and then we can have a strategic you know discussion on how like you know which one is better to start with and if it's like you know people that we know very well and we know that they're going to use it and that uh it is going to actually impress uh other um you know groups uh you know to see how you know how well it works uh you know with you know with this group maybe medium group instead of like you know the bigger group uh yeah then I think we we should look at it but I you know we of course we always should keep in mind that the the target is really like you know scale uh yeah so I don't think we should start to work with like you know a group that has like 10 20 people even if they're going to be very committed uh because th this is not going to be very useful you know if we we have a group that uh something that works well for 20 people and we reach out to some you know group that has like tens of thousands of um and we say it works well for 10 people.
01:24:35
Ngawang Trinley: So I think I mean if I were in their position I would like okay so maybe that works well for 10 people but it's probably not going to work uh they won't be able to deliver that you know for you know our bigger community. Uh yeah. So yeah, I mean yeah, let's I mean yeah, please think about it and uh maybe do some research about it and you know ask like and Gemini and clothes you know to give some opinion on this etc. Uh but yeah we need to pin to get the the right strategy for that. Yeah. Uh so right now the tributaka chanting looks very still looks very promising and I think if we can really like you know keep this on track uh this will be like you know very good example to show you know their communities because it's very large you know event and large thing but we need like a few like this uh because let's say in the middle if for any reason trips and things say okay actually we're not working with you guys yeah we we need to have like you know a few other uh you know partnerships on track basically. Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: I think maybe uh the guru bumok is kind of very good uh partner to collaborate because um I think maybe few hundreds people will attend this and you know many llamas from different centers uh so it kind of it can influence them in the same time and then also uh they are organized by you know ITB so there some people we already know I'm very familiar with I which is kind of yeah good choice.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay, great.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: I
Ngawang Trinley: I mean, please add notes in your list and let's have the discussion once you have like,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: mean
Ngawang Trinley: you know, a more major list and then yeah, we can, you know, have like strategy discussion on this. Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah, sure.
Ngawang Trinley: Okay, I think we should call it a day and yeah, let's continue the discussion. Yeah. Okay.
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