Minutes: WeBuddhist plans rollout (2026-05-21)

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Meeting Date: Thu May 21 2026
Source: Google Doc Link

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Summary

Strategic planning session focused on daily Buddhist habit engagement and prioritizing Tibetan centers for partnership expansion.

Strategy and Vision Alignment
The project prioritizes a 5-minute daily Buddhist routine to increase user engagement. The team shifted outreach focus exclusively to Tibetan centers to better leverage potential partnerships.

Operational and Technical Roles
Roles for content, editorial, and technical development were defined to streamline workflows. Development now prioritizes web-based testing for faster iteration before mobile app deployment.

Preparation for Upcoming Presentations
The team decided to prepare a 7-day content demo for upcoming partner presentations. This includes creating simulated website integrations to help partners visualize the platform benefits.

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Suggested Next Steps

• [Lome] Document Content Status: Establish a comprehensive documentation list in the Obsidian vault that tracks the current status and availability of all content resources including commentaries and root texts.
• [Tundrup] Coordinate Content Creation: Coordinate the content creation workflow for the two plans by ensuring team members have the necessary tools, clear timelines, and defined responsibilities.
• [Kunzang] Analyze User Engagement: Develop tools to automatically collect and analyze daily user session statistics from the mobile app and partner websites to inform content improvements.
• [Jennifer] Manage Content Quality: Review content quality and manage editorial standards for both English and Chinese materials to ensure alignment with project goals.
• [Jay, Kevin] Network with Partners: Reach out to influential Buddhist centers and organizations to invite them to participate in or sponsor the upcoming influencer awards and conventions.
• [Jennifer, Kevin, Tundrup] Learn Translation Methodology: Conduct a meeting with Evan to learn the process of generating AI-assisted translations based on the methodology used for the Abidama plan.
• [drongbu lobsang] Check Alignment: Verify if Sammy completed the alignment for the remittance translation project.
• [Jennifer Yo] Schedule Partner Meeting: Arrange a meeting with Tun and Tinlay for next week to discuss the Chinese version materials.
• [drongbu lobsang] Coordinate Project Meetings: Organize sessions with Tiger Boy and Evan to review the progress of the Tibetan project.
• [drongbu lobsang] Conduct Knowledge Transfer: Lead a session for Lozang covering translation workflows and project plans.
• [tashi dhondup] Fix Tibetan Localization: Update the Tibetan text in the application to correct existing UI errors.
• [Evan Yerburgh] Release App Update: Deploy an application update containing the corrected Tibetan interface by the end of this week.
• [drongbu lobsang] Finalize Content Structure: Contact Tiger Boy today to finalize the structure of the practice content.
• [Evan Yerburgh, Kang] Provide Studio Access: Grant Tiger Boy access to the studio environment.
• [drongbu lobsang] Facilitate Testing Sessions: Organize two dog fooding user testing sessions per week involving actual users and the technical team.
• [drongbu lobsang] Collaborate with 84000: Meet with the 84000 organization to discuss potential project collaboration.
• [Jay Yeshe Gyatso] Request Presentation Permission: Seek authorization from the Lama Foundation to conduct a short presentation at the upcoming event this Sunday.
• [Jennifer] Review Project Content: Examine the Chinese plan and the presentation slides developed by the team. Provide necessary feedback to ensure they are ready for the upcoming deadline.
• [Gyaltsen Dhargyal] Upload Tibetan Plan: Input the content of the Tibetan plan into the editor to finalize the project resources.
• [Evan Yerburgh] Train on Studio: Provide guidance to Gyaltsen Dhargyal on how to operate the studio interface correctly.
• [Kevin, Jay Yeshe Gyatso] Build Mock Website: Construct a sample center website using Canva to demonstrate how the content will be embedded for users.

Details

• Project Goal and Definition: drongbu lobsang defined the project's primary goal for the year as increasing the number of “daily active Buddhists,” which they characterized as individuals who maintain a daily routine of practicing positive habits, reducing harm, and gaining a better understanding of their mind. They emphasized that success is measured by these daily routines, which are grounded in foundational Buddhist principles (00:07:03).
• Strategic Focus and Vision Partners: To achieve a critical mass of users, drongbu lobsang outlined a strategy of prioritizing “vision partners” or evangelists rather than developing a wide array of features. By focusing on a small number of high-impact users and partners, the organization aims to refine the experience before scaling, which involved rolling back smaller plans and prayer recitations from the previous year to concentrate on these key partnerships (00:08:17).
• Unique Selling Point: The organization's unique selling point, or “unfair advantage,” is the provision of a five-minute daily Buddhist routine supplemented by reminders and a network of content creators. drongbu lobsang stressed that while other organizations may focus on text databases, their specific model of daily, actionable content is difficult for others to replicate, which remains their primary differentiator (00:10:52).
• Metrics and Engagement Tracking: Success requires rigorous tracking of daily active Buddhists, with data needed from both the mobile app and partner websites (00:13:08). Tenz Kuns reported that the app currently has 23 users, a figure which indicates that while the strategy is sound, the team must improve engagement. To monitor this, Tenz Kuns is responsible for using tools like PostHog to analyze user behavior, including session length and where users click, to understand what content effectively keeps them engaged (00:20:40) (00:28:50).
• Editorial and Content Coordination Roles: Jennifer Yo has been tasked with an editorial role, ensuring that project communications, marketing websites, and content quality across English and Chinese are up to standard (00:15:40) (00:27:45). Additionally, Tundrup is designated to coordinate the content creation process, ensuring that teams have the necessary tools, timelines, and personnel to move projects forward without having to create the content themself (00:18:01) (00:42:34).
• Language Strategy and Regional Focus: The team identified a clear hierarchy for language implementation. Tashi Dhondup insisted that the Chinese version is an urgent priority because their primary partner network consists of influential individuals in Taiwan. Consequently, while English is also a priority, resources must be allocated to finalize the Chinese versions of the content first (00:21:45) (00:27:45).
• Technical Development Workflow: To ensure efficient development, technical features should be tested and deployed first on the web version by Tenz Kuns, as this environment allows for faster iteration. Once features are validated and deemed successful, Evan Yerburgh and Mauricio will then integrate them into the mobile app pipeline (00:24:01) (00:29:54).
• Engagement and Community Sharing: To improve retention, the team plans to focus on notifications and features that encourage users to share content related to their specific teachers, centers, or llamas (00:29:54) (00:33:25). The strategy involves enabling users to share content that reflects their own group or llama while keeping the “We Buddhists” platform as the underlying link, thereby increasing the willingness of users to participate in social sharing (00:31:00) (00:33:25).
• Project Documentation in Obsidian: To ensure organizational clarity, all project-related work, including text, commentary, designs, and administrative details, must be centralized within the Obsidian vault (00:38:29) (00:46:11). drongbu lobsang emphasized that avoiding fragmented storage across Google Drive or GitHub is essential for maintaining a clear status of all resources (00:38:29) (00:48:05).
• Task Prioritization Guidelines: When facing choices regarding development or content creation, the team must prioritize tasks based on their proximity to the user's “five-minute daily practice” experience (00:39:29). For example, improvements to notification systems are prioritized over tasks such as training optical character recognition (OCR) models, as the former has a more direct impact on daily engagement (00:37:34) (00:40:26).
• Accountability for Content Creation: Specific responsibilities were assigned to streamline content production: Tiger Boy and Gade are in charge of Tibetan content, while the team needs to coordinate closely with them to ensure deadlines are met (00:43:21). Jennifer Yo is responsible for editorial quality control, and Jay Yeshe Gyatso and Kevin Shakya are tasked with supporting Chinese language content adaptation alongside Jennifer Yo (00:27:45) (00:42:34).
• Knowledge Transfer and Planning: To prepare for the launch of the Bodhicharyavatara plan, the team identified a need for knowledge transfer sessions. Specifically, they require Evan Yerburgh to explain the processes used for the Abhidharma plan, and they need Tiger Boy to clarify the workflow used for the Tibetan content (00:50:06) (00:52:03).
• Preparation for Partnership Presentations: The team agreed that to secure commitments from high-standard partners like Wongo and Tlay, they must present concrete, functional examples of the plans. The group decided to prepare a limited set of content (e.g., seven days of material) to demonstrate the plan's feasibility and format to these partners, rather than waiting for the entire project to be completed (00:54:52).
• Tibetan Content Structure: Drongbu lobsang and Tashi Dhondup review the content structure for the Tibetan version of the project, which will commence with refuge from the text, followed by the four immeasurable thoughts, and the bodhisattva vows (01:00:13). The team confirms that they have access to the vault on their computers to manage these materials (01:02:04).
• Project Readiness and Scheduling: Jennifer Yo emphasizes the importance of finalizing the Tibetan version to allow for scheduling a meeting for the following week (01:02:53). While there was concern regarding the time required for illustrations, Drongbu lobsang confirms that the content will be ready by the end of the week, with the team having identified the necessary illustrations and established a contingency plan to ensure completion (01:03:54).
• App Localization and UI: Drongbu lobsang instructs Tashi Dhondup to correct the Tibetan localization within the application to resolve existing mistakes, noting that a release with the corrected UI is required by the end of the week. Tashi Dhondup reports that Tiger Boy has created multiple content structures and is awaiting confirmation and access to the studio environment to proceed (01:05:54).
• Technical Infrastructure and Staging: Evan Yerburgh notes that the staging application is not yet ready to host the content (01:06:51). The team discusses the implementation of new translation software called TOI to automate the UI localization process, which will allow for managing all languages simultaneously and reducing the risk of errors (01:08:49).
• Communication Channels: Tashi Dhondup requests clarification on who to contact regarding localization issues, and Evan Yerburgh confirms that the UX channel on Discord is the appropriate place to direct feedback (01:10:31).
• User Testing Sessions: Drongbu lobsang stresses the necessity of conducting “dogfooding” sessions twice a week, where the team observes users engaging with the tool to identify issues and gather feedback (01:11:37). Drongbu lobsang suggests that Lozan should handle the scheduling of these sessions due to the need for effective coordination (01:12:36).
• Industry Benchmarking: Jennifer Yo and Drongbu lobsang analyze the new 84,000 website as a standard for quality and organization in the Buddhist study field (01:14:25). Jennifer Yo asserts that the team should aim for a similar level of quality to successfully secure funding and project growth (01:16:58).
• Strategic Focus on Daily Habits: Drongbu lobsang clarifies that the project's primary focus for the year is the “Tier 3” audience, consisting of casual practitioners seeking five-minute daily habits rather than in-depth scholarly study (01:21:16). The team plans to ground this light engagement in original texts and eventually integrate audio and video content from various teachers (01:22:23).
• Outreach Responsibilities: Jay Yeshe Gyatso inquires about networking with vision partners, leading to a discussion on team roles. Drongbu lobsang and the team agree that they will collaborate on outreach, with Jay Yeshe Gyatso and others focusing on Chinese and Tibetan centers by leveraging existing personal connections to present the project (01:24:34).
• Strategic Pivot for Outreach: Drongbu lobsang announces a shift in strategy, concluding the outreach efforts toward Chinese Mahayana groups due to a lack of actionable results. The team decides to focus exclusively on Tibetan Buddhist centers and the Buddhist project, as this strategy has garnered more interest and potential for partnerships (01:27:53).
• Event Presentation Proposal: Jay Yeshe Gyatso proposes a short presentation at the upcoming event this Sunday to showcase the plan to various lamas (01:32:29). The team agrees this is a valuable opportunity, provided they prepare the necessary materials, including a Chinese plan and a demonstration of the application (01:33:25) (01:35:09).
• Demo Website Development: The team discusses the need to create a “fake” center website using a tool like Canva to demonstrate how the project would integrate into a user's own website (01:34:23) (01:39:35). Drongbu lobsang explains that this simulation will make the project easier for centers to visualize and relate to compared to displaying the project's own website (01:40:45).
• Studio Tool Training: Gyaltsen Dhargyal expresses concern regarding the integration of Tibetan plans into the website and the technical use of the Studio environment (01:38:09). Evan Yerburgh agrees to provide training to Gyaltsen Dhargyal to ensure the content is formatted and uploaded correctly (01:39:35).
• Final Preparation and Deadlines: Drongbu lobsang reminds Jennifer Yo to review the slides prepared by Jay Yeshe Gyatso and Kevin to ensure they are finalized for the upcoming presentation. The meeting concludes with a commitment to complete these materials before the immediate deadline (01:35:09) (01:46:20).

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May 21, 2026

WeBuddhist plans rollout - Transcript

00:00:00

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Can you tell join the meeting? Oh, yeah. Can you join the meeting? Uh, we can accept your Oh my god.
tashi dhondup: Oh, good.
drongbu lobsang: She said PDF download. Google, Google. Byebye. What? This is good enough. Uh Jay, is the statue in beer? The statue is the one in beer in or is it? I don't know. I just saw this on Instagram. So good. Okay. Okay. Can you guys hear?
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Okay, perfect. Uh, who are we missing? So, there's Yeah, Tiger Boy. I guess it's fine because it's content. Okay, so I think you're not. Yeah. It means Okay. Okay. So, yeah, I think everyone is here. Yes. And is here. Stand is here. Okay. Uh yeah. So, today basically I just want to have a quick call.

00:07:03

drongbu lobsang: Uh Kevin, you're here to Oh, yeah. Kevin. Okay. Perfect. A quick call to um review the progress you know especially with the content creation uh for the two plans. Okay. So actually in our just like before we start I want to just like uh come back on the point that uh our main goal with this project is to increase the number of daily active Buddhist Buddhists right and so by daily active Buddhists uh what we mean is you know people who every day uh you know either you know we have of course like learn uh connect uh learn, practice and connect. Uh but basically if we go into a little bit more practical way uh you know daily active Buddhist counts you know for anyone who every day does uh you know has a routine to do a little bit less harm to do a little bit more good and to uh you know know a little bit a little bit better their mind. Yeah. So that's basically Buddha when uh you know summarizing all Buddhism uh he summarized in these three points.

00:08:17

drongbu lobsang: Okay. Uh that's it. And so our strategy uh to do this you know for this year uh so just to make sure we all you know are on the same page and focus on the right thing. So our strategy this year you know is to work with vision partners uh to start to have you know basically a critical mass of users. So we want to have as many users as possible on the as little features as possible. Yeah. And so this was what uh you know our coaches from Dubai uh advised us to do is to identify you know these vision partners or um what was it evangelists and you know so to have like uh just a few very high impact uh users uh so we can get like you know very with very few features we can get a lot of users. Okay. Uh so that's why you know we rolled back uh you know from last year we rolled back all the you know all the small plans and uh you know the uh prayers etc the recitations that we had to refocus really on just like you know a few partners and then once we have a critical mass of users then we'll start to you know add like you know for example 10 days you know for anger and you know this kind of but in collaboration with influencers.

00:09:44

drongbu lobsang: Okay. Uh so this year at least like you know for I guess until the end of the year the focus will really be to have like you know these few vision partners and to really make sure that we do everything we can to make their uh groups and their members happy. Okay. So the um you know this is you know this is part of our more long-term strategy. So we have to you know as an organization we have to make sure we have like a you know something that only us can do right and so right now for example you know like a few years ago it's it was text so we had a lot of text and you know linked with commentaries etc. But this actually with AI it becomes something that's very easy to to duplicate. Um and yeah it will be easier and easier and especially you know this is actually this is not our specialization. This is like you know for example BDRC 84000 etc. uh especially BDRC. So there right now we're helping them to create this API where all the text will be accessible by any AI any power tool.

00:10:52

drongbu lobsang: Okay. So basically if we just focus on text we don't have you know this uh you know special thing that only us can do. Uh okay and so this is why like you know this year we're really focusing on uh you know something that no one else does is a five minutes uh you know Buddhist uh routine you know kind of content with uh reminders. uh and uh we focus actually on uh building up you know this network of content creators. Okay. So H4000 or etc. uh you know they're not going to or BDRC they're not going to you know try to have like uh you know to create this network with all uh you know influencer in different Buddhist countries collaborate with them to create content etc. Yeah. And so this is really like you know our um uh unfair advantage in business that's what they call it. So each company needs to have their own like USP unique selling point or unfair advantage. Yeah. So our unfair advantage which is very difficult to duplicate.

00:11:56

drongbu lobsang: So is you know the focus on five minutes daily content uh to increase the number of daily active Buddhists. So this no one else does. And uh second thing is to have like collaborations with content creators you know in all main Buddhist countries. Okay, that's it. So yeah, I just wanted to make sure you know this is clear. And so which means like our you know what we should be 100% focusing on you know now uh is to make sure that our uh vision partners starting from you know Wongo and the international the triping event uh you know starting from them and then you know to uh the vision partners we'll have like you know for the Buddha uh you know starting from the end of this year no this month sorry uh we should make sure that they really you know have whatever is you know their audience needs in order to use this content you know on a daily basis so we can really increase numbers. Okay. So uh this means that we need to really focus on uh you know we have like you know Evan and you know the tech team are working on the the features the data in the background etc. But we need some uh you know team to really focus on uh you know the content of the plans

00:13:08

drongbu lobsang: uh making sure that they're the communication about you know what they are how to collaborate etc is really good uh which for now there's nothing uh on any website and we need to make sure that actually we get feedback that we see all the statistics. So every day we need to know what is the number of daily activities today on the mobile app and on the partners' websites. Okay. And each time we need to actually go back to it, look at it and say okay so you know how can we increase this engagement? How can we increase the number of daily active Buddhists? So for example with Wu right now I think like for the last week we have 200 uh you know people on the website on the mobile app. I'm not sure Konzan if you have the latest figures but we need that you know as soon as possible and uh yeah so they have like actually a very big audience and if we are a little bit more proactive with sharing things on social media on their various groups uh maybe adding things that make their life easier easier like we reach out to a few people who go to the dagen thing I think right now there's a little bit too much reading to do I think maybe just adding audio everywhere uh so you just

00:14:19

drongbu lobsang: can play and you know listen to it will make it easier. Um yeah, so there there's uh you know a lot of work that needs to be done to analyze the number of active Buddhists and uh to see how we can improve the content of the plans, the format and uh increase the engagement and network with centers you know through llamas etc. Yeah. So uh last one for two months ago. So uh yeah actually from last year the uh content creation uh you know in English and Chinese has mainly been uh you know done by the Taiwan team. Yeah. And I think it's actually in the overall like you know uh structure of our projects actually I think that still makes sense. Uh and you know like the team in India is really specialized in Tibetan content. uh you know the tech people and the Buddhist data like you know starting from Tibetan uh and in Taiwan actually Indra's main activity has been uh you know in the past years before we Buddhist starts you know have been actually organizing this um you know Buddhist marketing workshops and you know trying to you know find ways help Buddhist creators or llamas you know to improve the way they share Buddhism etc. So I think it's fitting to continue you know this stuff uh yeah and so for

00:15:40

drongbu lobsang: that um yeah I've been actually you know discussing with you know each of you and then you know with different people other people etc. So I think actually so uh right now what I want to uh suggest is that not suggest what I want to okay yeah Jennifer is there uh actually from last year we had like a few conversations with Jennifer too in terms of you know helping with the uh creating content you know in English doing more like editorial you know kind of work and uh you know someone networking too because she has like a very big uh you know network. So I want to actually I I have requested Jennifer to be like you know the editor not a manager you know of the creation of the plans uh but to just like you know double check that the communication about the project about the different you know organizations etc you know is uh good uh so we're talking about like you know marketing websites uh so just websites about the project uh for example with this we need like to have a good page information page etc. Same same thing for inella.

00:16:49

drongbu lobsang: And we need also to have someone who just like you know double check that you know the content in English and Chinese uh you know is good uh and kind of like you know takes like editorial you know management uh basically just like checking the the quality and working with you know whoever works on the content creation uh to make sure that uh you know everything is up to the standards. Okay. So uh yeah so Jennifer will be you know helping with that. So right now the situation is we have like the trenting plans which already started now today's day seven and we need to make sure that you know the content is ready uh all the time and that we can get feedback and uh that we yeah we have like you know everything that is needed etc. And we need to start to do this also plan very uh carefully and as soon as possible for the budar because it's also a lot of content make sure that all the content is ready etc and uh yeah that you know things go smoothly basically that we don't have to create today's content you know at 4:00 in the morning like I did yesterday and I still was late.

00:18:01

drongbu lobsang: Uh okay. So for the uh you know the coordination of you know the the creation of content I want to ask to uh you know coordinate that. Yeah. So uh right now I think like really the so you know for this year like starting if these two plans are very successful then I think it will be much easier to reach out to other organizations and you know show them you know what we can do how it works etc. So we really cannot mess up you know these two uh first like you know um you know plans. Okay. So I think if you can you know coordinate and make sure that you know where is the content I mean that's more or less what you already you know have been doing. uh but basically continue with that and now we've you know official like you know uh uh I don't know power title whatever is required but just really make sure that we have like you know the content creation you know planned properly we know who's doing what etc and then uh your job of course is not to create the content yourself but to make sure that everyone who can create the content uh you know has the right tools know how to use use team has a timeline.

00:19:17

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. And so we make sure that everything you know goes uh forward. Yeah. So as far as Dundr and yes as are concerned so yes I think your your strength is really to uh you know to network uh talk to people present things etc uh in Tibetan. So uh I think Tundra bandi you guys you know already in the past months you know you've been uh you know reaching out to a lot of llamas organizations etc in Taiwan. So I think you definitely you should you should continue to do that and uh but not only do that but also you know make sure that we get feedback from you know the groups. So for the budharatara we want as many centers involved as possible right uh and so we but we need to get like you know feedback from them and see if we need to have like you know some customizations or you know some different things you know in there etc. So we need so yes and dandrup you know working with llamas and kambos and monks you know in different centers making sure that actually we have this loop you know going so yesterday with dandrup we went to see goj and it was really encouraging and you know he's they agreed to uh you know announce uh you know the bodhicatar plan you know to all their uh centers uh so they they will do that but we need

00:20:40

drongbu lobsang: to uh yeah and they they said also uh they would discuss with uh you know each center um you know regarding the possibility of having the daily plan in there uh yeah thank you Jennifer yes we need to have like some uh forms or ways or whatever to collect feedback. So Kunzang here um you know is uh going to from the tech side going to make sure we have the tools to automatically collect you know every session. So now we're using post hog. We can replay every session of every user. I think it's anonymize or is it anonymized or maybe not? Anyway, this doesn't really matter. But we we can see, you know, when they open the app, where did they they go, what they read, where they clicked, and when they left, which is the most important. Yeah. We need to know what content works, what content doesn't work. Yeah. Okay. So, uh so Konzang will be in charge of that. And then uh yeah uh and then we need like you know on the other side like people who reach out to uh you know the vision partners.

00:21:45

drongbu lobsang: So yes and troop uh for you know all the Tibetan centers Tibetan llamas and I think you know please also start to uh reach out to llamas who are not only in Taiwan. Uh so Vietnam now is growing a lot especially for all like not Tibetan Buddhism. Uh so I think if you can you know start to reach out to you know llamas there centers there uh same thing for Indonesia and you know Malaysia also is growing you know quite a lot. Question you is will be in which language? Oh that's a very good question. So you talking about Indonesia blah blah blah some others? Exactly. So we start with English Chinese. So no don't say English and Chinese. First plan I think the first thing is that you should it it's supposed to be in like a Chinese uh Chinese and English we have to have English we have to have so English I would say first English because it's not only for Taiwan
tashi dhondup: Uh, no.
drongbu lobsang: yeah
tashi dhondup: Uh, I think first we what we need is a Chinese version.

00:22:57

tashi dhondup: That is very important because right now we are just contact with the llamas who are influenced in Taiwan.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
tashi dhondup: So I think Chinese must be first urgently because I
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
tashi dhondup: can see there some like um what we need commentaries in
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
tashi dhondup: Chinese is still not a very okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Very good. Don't know. I think your your mic has Yeah. A little bit of fright. Anyway. Okay. So Chinese first, English first for me it doesn't matter because by the end of the month we need to have the first language in both languages. I think like Chinese and English are not who is doing the English exactly. So that that's where you know we're reaching. Yeah, we're getting to okay so uh yeah for the features of the app just one thing before we get to the you know creation of content. So Kunzang actually is working on the uh web version that goes into the partners' websites. Okay.

00:24:01

drongbu lobsang: And so the web version is easier you know to experiment to test new features and to you know because it's easier to develop and we have like two Gang and Dele actually are very fast uh you know uh improving you know things. Okay. So for any new idea let's say for example we want to have audio for you know everything uh you know even the parts that are not text. Yeah. Uh so this actually I think should be first start you know tested and deployed you know with Kunzang on the web version uh tested and once when we find that it's good then we uh you know Evan and Mauricio later on you know will add it you know in the pipeline you know for uh the you know the implementation in the app. Okay. Uh that's it. So uh yeah. So that's for you know the way so the statistics from the app goes from um yeah is the implementation in the app starts with the whale and this is mainly Kunzang and Evan who are in charge of okay so I think this I think it's already quite clear and if you have like you know things you you're contacting Avan right uh you you have been contacting Avan for the you know features for the you know to add text etc have you yeah Uh okay so if you haven't now you know you should come back to

00:25:22

drongbu lobsang: Evan yeah for any feedback on the app and uh uh you know the uh studio and you know things etc. So yeah Evan is the the point of contact. Okay, sure. Okay. So, uh in terms of uh yeah, so I think like Yishi and Dundr. So, Dandruff will help also a little bit with the Tibetan content creation, but uh I think Y is better to focus really on, you know, networking, especially Yeah. because of the just Dup has studied you know Buddhist text etc a little bit more. Yeah. So I think yeah and if you really focus on you know making sure to get as many users as possible I think you can really uh yeah have a lot of impact right yeah Jennifer is saying uh most of the llamas read Chinese and I guess in Taiwan probably more or less but it's mainly about their students who will read Chinese so I think yes we think we should visit our lon center to show in the open person to have this. Yes. Uh and SI for permission.

00:26:31

drongbu lobsang: Okay. Very good too, Jennifer. Uh so basically we're talking about Tuni who has like all the sha you know network. So I think the best is actually Jennifer you know goes to meet them and troop or and if possible or or group uh yeah troop one of the the two actually should be there too Jennifer. So we're sure that you know the uh connection I mean having like more people you know in the discussion is better. Yeah. Okay. Um that's it. So yes with the team remote editor. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. Uh so uh Kevin and Jay I think like you know the idea was that you two reach out to Chinese especially the Mahayana Chinese Mahana centers and groups uh etc. So for Tibetan Buddhists I think actually yeah troop group and then with the help of Jennifer for the the people she already have a relationship with I think that will be uh more than enough you know that Buddhist side. Yeah. So for the Chinese Mahayana Buddhism right now we're not doing much and I I don't think we should spend you know much time on this.

00:27:45

drongbu lobsang: So let's really get the Tada and Rajarina up and running have a lot of users and then we can see you know from Mahena what we can do right. Uh okay. So I think uh you know basically for the uh yeah so uh Kevin you are saying you're mainly interested you know in helping with the translation adaptation and these kind of things. Yeah. So I think the best would be that you since Jennifer you know is the editor uh she'll be doing the quality control and you know uh signing of things before they go in the app before they go on websites etc. So I think it's better you uh actually work with her and uh yeah as everyone mentioned there's a lot to do uh for the Chinese right uh so uh yeah there's a lot to do that needs to yeah uh I mean for the translation of commentaries etc. Yeah. And uh Jay also I think actually you know working with Jennifer for the you know getting with centers and you know getting feedback you know from people.

00:28:50

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Getting feedback from people because right now for example for the trip. Yeah. I think today probably in the app I guess we probably have like 10 or 20 users right? Did you do do you have some numbers
Tenz Kuns: Um in the web version or the app version.
drongbu lobsang: the
Tenz Kuns: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: app
Tenz Kuns: App has uh Okay. 23 or something actually.
drongbu lobsang: 23? Yeah. So the network of Wu and you know the she send actually announcements you
Tenz Kuns: No.
drongbu lobsang: know for this in Facebook groups, WhatsApp groups etc that have you know like uh tens of thousands of people Okay. And we have 23 people.
Tenz Kuns: Ready.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. And today we have 23 people. Yeah. Which means uh I mean I think we're still doing the right thing but we have to improve the way we do it. Okay. And then we have to start to leverage you know the influencers maybe improving like you know have some you know sharable things in Instagram.

00:29:54

drongbu lobsang: We have to see where are the people where do they see actually the content. So notification I think we should work a lot on the notifications. the notification should be really engaging, maybe have some audio directly, etc. So that's actually and so I think this is really what the Taiwan team should be, you know, focusing on. So that's really the marketing part of things, right? Yeah. So making sure that uh uh yeah, Kevin actually I think you'll have a lot of very useful feedback with that because you've been using like you know the sour app and other apps like this. Yeah. And so you can just look at okay so what keeps me in the app you know for other apps. Yeah. And what's the difference you know with our app and so right now we don't have many features we have like two plans two plans and we need to make sure that the number one the inapp engagement mechanism uh which is like you know the notifications everything starts from notifications right notifications has to be the best in the world yeah and so this is something we really need to focus on uh so J Kevin I don't know yeah the team here and loan you know we can you know see how to uh yeah Evan is really interested in that too.

00:31:00

drongbu lobsang: He's he's done a lot of research. Uh Kevin is I think the uh number one you know uh app user in our group. Yeah. And so I think J if you can also focus on that you know test it yourself test other apps see you know what makes you more motivated etc. Yeah. And then see you know how. So one thing is inapp you know features like notifications and then we have the out outside of the app you know things like you know for example sharing things. Yeah. So what we told uh you know WMU is that we'll within her page or within the app. So we'll get within the app we will put you know one page about her group. Okay number one. Number two is that we will have from if it's you know someone within the app shares you know something about her group the image branding etc will be hers. Okay. Same thing from her web. Yeah. So for us, as long as you know people uh you know uh spend five minutes to do a little bit less harm than yesterday, a little bit more good than yesterday, know their mind a little bit more than yesterday.

00:32:09

drongbu lobsang: Number one and two no a and b uh that we can measure it. Yeah. So we can count and we say okay so we increase the number of people who improve every day you know as Buddhists which is these three criterias according to Buddha. Yeah. Uh and so if we can count this so the web version on their website we can count because this is uh it's our page that we put in there right and number two the mobile app we can count too because we know exactly how many how much time people spend what they do etc. Yeah. So basically we need to as long as we can increase the number of people who through the app or the web version uh you know spend five minutes a day. Yeah. Then that's good. The branding actually the app is our app. So we cannot brand more than that. It's the weis app with you know everything in there etc. And uh the web version is printed you know on you know with them but they have this yeah uh and uh on social media I think people will actually you know share will be willing to share a lot more if it is you know to advertise their own center their own group their own llama right so they advertise this but the link goes back to either the web Buddhist page that is on their website or the web app yeah so we we kind of like you know are in the

00:33:25

drongbu lobsang: picture Anyway, right. Uh so this part I think we should really focus on and really find ways to okay so how do we help users of the app to share about themselves about their you know my guru my group my teacher my friends etc. Yeah they're not going to share about you know Buddha sutra or we Buddhists whatever organization it is right but they're going to share about their llama their group their uh you know themselves. Yeah. So how do we make sure that this works also very smoothly? Okay. And so one thing is how make sure that it works smoothly. Second thing is that you know people know that this is happening. Yeah. So for example the slides that uh you know we have to share with the dilemma office uh you know to show during the Google um you know malam etc. So this is like information about you know how this works and is it you know for you is it for me you know if I'm not paying anything then you know probably I am the product.

00:34:23

drongbu lobsang: If I'm the product, I want to know what kind of product I am. Yeah. Uh you know this kind of things. Yeah. So we we want to have very good communication on this. Okay. Jennifer saying apart from regular notification to be engaging so we can return people. Yes, of course. Uh we need to talk to the influencers who do who do join the Yes, we have them. I we already reach out to them actually. And for Chinese Mahana maybe as you said J can join me to find partners to influencer convention like Buddha. Okay. Yeah, that's a very good point. Thank you for reminding me this. Uh yeah, so for Maya actually starting with getting uh yeah uh I think yeah J and Kevin or just J or whatever uh actually we should reach out to uh the big organizations and ask them to be participants or co-sponsor or whatever of the first the influencer awards. I think that will be much easier to you know and much more interesting attractive for them.

00:35:20

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Number two, the convention. So if you have people to send them etc. Number two, convention and then we can see after for uh you know adding stuff in the app etc. Yeah. Okay. So uh yeah so what is already done for the buddharatara is all actually in the so has uh yeah let me just send the link. So here Lozang has put together you know something about the uh you know what is already there. Yeah. Uh technical work on obsidian. So tour text on commentary etc. So for 10 years we're behind uh taxonomy development. Yeah. So this part I think we shouldn't get the anger depression etc. Oh, when this work. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Someone speaking. No. Oh, yeah.
Tenz Kuns: What I have? So,
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Um, yeah. So for the design we need to make sure actually we're really focusing now focusing on what the chart are. Yeah. I'm not sure.

00:36:36

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. I guess you you keep track of you know what's happening. Yeah. So I think have discussions with Jennifer too in terms of like you know what feel we want to give the content etc. And uh yeah Evan and the designer also right now is working on the logo and general colors you know. Do we have like okay like for doing things I did you know like 200 days do we need to do something like this? Yeah Tiger did already already done already done Tiger already did this but now we need Yeah it's there in Tibetan it's in English in Tibetan in both English and Tibetan. Uh but now we need uh yeah we need basically you to coordinate and to make sure you know that basically you release train etc. Same thing. Focus on the content. I think for the the take like you know Evan now is doing a a a good job. I think now we need more help for the the content for the two plans. I think I I need help from Sure.

00:37:34

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. If Sure. Yeah. Uh but basically we still need to have like you know someone we know like you know you're the one in charge for the content the roll out of content. Yeah. And uh train already left. Yeah. For the trip back teaming. So we need to make sure actually right now this morning Evan added 30 days. Yeah. But we have actually a lot of content missing and the translation you know the content is not good enough. We need to standardize the vocabulary. Yeah. Uh so there's actually a lot of different things you know that need to happen you know to improve the commentary the the the content. Yeah. Uh yeah, but uh I think again like the you know when creating the content I think the most important is to have the minimum that the content that really is useful for uh I mean that really will keep users engaged. Yeah. So if the translator translation is not perfect I think it's still fine.

00:38:29

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. uh but at least you know have like you know the images the thing the notifications for example if you compare like a improvement in the translation quality or improving the notifications 100% notification is more important because this is what is going to keep you in there right uh and then after that we so we need to have like a very clear prioritization you know ranking so what is and this so for anything we do so yeah the last thing I'm going to say and then I think uh I talked enough Uh where's Tiger's work? Yeah. Yeah, it's all Tiger's work is all in the vault. Okay. So everything that is happening about you know this plan and the body chart all of this should be 100% in the vault. Okay. Uh so we don't want so loan please uh you know make sure this is happening. We don't want anything you know in a little bit on GitHub there a little bit on you know someone's Google Drive and then you know like in another like you know Google share drive or these kind of things.

00:39:29

drongbu lobsang: It should really all be in the obsidian. So then we we know that everything is there, right? Okay. And for Wendy, uh does this work as first administration of Wendy? Uh probably not Jennifer to answer your question. So this is something we need to uh actually review and you know get started. Yeah. I mean yeah make sure that it is synced. Yeah. Okay. So uh there was one last point I wanted to make. Yeah. The last point I want to make is that for anything we do the priority should always be what is the closest to the users. Okay. So basically working on you know creating like you know for example we were creating like interlinear class for translation. Uh maybe you know it's not really that useful. Yeah we should always go back. Okay. So what is the closest you know to uh you know the user who is spending five minutes a day. Yeah.

00:40:26

drongbu lobsang: What is the the main thing that is going to change their life make them their practice better etc. Yeah. And so always focus on that and then anything that we can do on top of this you know and you know like training an OCR model. Yeah. So training OCR model it's great. It is going to help you know this but it's way way too far from uh you know the daily five minutes. uh and the improved experience of daily five minutes, right? Okay. So, anytime there's a doubt of should we do this or not, should we how should we prioritize etc. The question should always be how is this improving the experience you know like five minutes a day experience you know of uh you know our uh daily Buddhist uh users right uh that's it and so right now uh you know with the tech team Kunzan for example they're already starting to rep prioritize everything based on that criteria yeah uh so for example the translation editor it was his focus you know last year right now it's posted uh because we first want to have you know like you know the web page and the app that has like you know really some very engaging and useful content you know for five minutes a day practice right uh so once this is

00:41:36

drongbu lobsang: smooth then we'll go back to the next more most more most more most more most more most more most more most more most more most more most more urgent thing and you know at some point it will be the the translation editor but I think it's probably won't be the the case for next six months uh but let's see hopefully we can improve things on the user side faster but yeah uh that's it uh yeah So I guess that's all I wanted to share today. I know for sure. Yeah, go ahead. There's like a Okay, just imagine you you mention so many things but there are some of the things are not clear. Yeah. So for example, just imagine if Chinese content is not there, Chinese like chaitra lutri is not there. Who is going to do that? Yeah. Who is responsible? Yeah. He says like who? Yeah. Okay. That's Yeah, that's good. So the person responsible to make sure that it is happening.

00:42:34

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Is you? Who is doing that? No. No. Exactly. So the first one, one second. One second. Let me make sure. One second. The now so from now this meeting is specifically for this. Okay. So whether the quality is good enough for English and Chinese is Jennifer. Okay. Okay. For Tibetan I think Tundrup actually could do this. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Dundr could do the same role as Jennifer, you know, making sure that the content is correct, etc. Yeah. Okay. So, I think Dundr will be more uh, you know, on time, etc. Okay. So, these are the two the quality thing. Yeah. The quantity part, which is making sure that things are on time, they get on the train, you know, at the right time and we know exactly what's happening, etc. It's you. Yeah. Which means that if you see that, oh, content is really l lagging behind, etc. Yeah.

00:43:21

drongbu lobsang: Then it's up to you to uh you know find you know who uh you know can do it and just like you know say okay here we need to rep prioritize you know things here etc. Yeah. So right now for the Tibetan content the people in charge of the Tibetan content are Tiger Boy and Gade. Okay. Okay. So you have Tiger Boy and G for all Tibetan content. Yeah. We need people to do the uh you know so the sorry uh the poly content sensory content for chunjuk for chunjuk. So content for Abid Dharma actually should be Ghan. He's the best Pali guy we have. Ghan forjuk for Chenjuk. No no we we have two plans remember we have abidama. Yeah yeah so abidama that means yeah yeah you need to coordinate too for the abidama because it's we just have two plans. Yeah. So these two plans we need to make sure the content is you know good and that you know things are moving forward etc. Yeah.

00:44:15

drongbu lobsang: So you have been training them. Yeah. So I mean I will be helping you know with that especially for the uh I yeah from the beginning I've been you know communicating with one more and the the people there and that's actually I spend a lot of time on the other I will keep working on that so don't you know in terms of like you know doing the work but in terms of coordinating making sure things are on time we have enough you know content you know for the next month or something like this yeah you you will have to do it okay you have to keep track of okay what is ready is it you know there etc. Yeah, Chinese text done before le done by yeah. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, um that's it. So, basically coordinating and making sure that you know the content and the what needs to be released, you know, for the next month is already ready. Yeah. So, this is the coordination part is your work. Okay.

00:45:05

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. And you have like different teams doing you know different work and so you just like make sure that you know you tell them okay so here for the threatening we have this deadline so make sure that it's happening and then we can readjust etc. Yeah. Okay. So, who is doing Chinese? So, Chinese, this guy here, Jennifer, and you know, Jay if needed. Yeah. English. English. Uh uh so English we had you know pass on but um I think students still work with me. Yeah. Yeah. Because sometimes he's there, sometimes not there. He's running his cafe etc. Yeah. So I think English could start with Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: No, can I can I interrupt here?
drongbu lobsang: Go ahead.
Jennifer Yo: I think it's better you share with us where thing where things are
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: now in terms of if you only know Tibetan where are they how
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: are they structured then Kevin you know all of us the rest of us who are here would know what needs to be done for English and Chinese if that's still not yet

00:46:11

drongbu lobsang: Mhm.
Jennifer Yo: done I don't know if Lobson is aware
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Um Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: of how where things
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: are
drongbu lobsang: With abidama I'm like I don't know but with bodhichatra I know a little bit. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: only a little bit.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Okay. So I
drongbu lobsang: I started working like a two days since from two days back. Yeah. So, so Jennifer,
Jennifer Yo: see.
drongbu lobsang: I think what uh should happen? So, now we everything is in one folder, right? Everything
Jennifer Yo: No. So Kevin had this question.
drongbu lobsang: is
Jennifer Yo: We do everything from scratching obsidian or this clarity need to come from
drongbu lobsang: okay. Everything has to happen in obsidian whether it's from scratch or not.
Jennifer Yo: you.
drongbu lobsang: This is uh you know up to the people working on you know each language etc to decide. Okay. So for example uh you know for English for Aidama we we were going to generate a completely new translation but we found a translation that is open we can use and that's already you know quite good.

00:47:12

drongbu lobsang: So maybe we don't need to generate a new translation. Same thing for Chinese. So are the existing translations copyrighted or not? I don't know. Yeah. So uh in terms of like knowing where things are etc. Uh so this actually should be a skill you know in the obsidian folder that just goes and you know updates you know the status uh because we have like all the information we know what is needed do you not reach state. Yeah. Uh and basically just have like you know in the readme uh you know have like a list of all the things that are uh all the uh uh sorry all the resources that are there and the status of each resource. That's it. So right now for example we have a lot of commentaries we know that we need to add like all the the ids right. Yeah. And we need to reinsert you know the uh you know the root uh links uh as transclusions in in the you know in the text.

00:48:05

drongbu lobsang: So for a lot of Tibetan commentaries actually don't have this yet. Yeah. Uh so yeah uh basically so Jennifer to answer your question. So this documentation actually happens by uh you know just having a clear list of you know what is at what stage you know in the oxygen uh you know vault.
Jennifer Yo: Is that something Lome can
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Yes. Yes.
Jennifer Yo: do?
drongbu lobsang: I need some help from him because I will help. Of course I will because since I was working for last two days I know what are perfectly done and what are still yet to do. That's why I'm asking like you know if if the Chinese root text is not
Jennifer Yo: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: ready then who I'm supposed to contact who I'm supposed to speak that is what I asked and again I was saying like you know do you need English version yeah and thunder was saying like you don't
Jennifer Yo: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: need the like you make the Chinese version perfect and then you can add on to English that is one way to do if you need English version who is doing the English version yeah English version if you do it it's not like a small work actually.

00:49:12

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. You need text and you need the commentary.
Jennifer Yo: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: You need to Allah even with the Chinese. So we don't you you need only two people who are doing this and then you want Chinese as well as English. We we don't really have like you know someone who can work on the English. So Pasan was the the closest we had.
Jennifer Yo: No,
drongbu lobsang: Uh we have
Jennifer Yo: I thought you have collected all the Didn't you? Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: it.
Jennifer Yo: And then we already started the term base. So, you're going to generate English translation with
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: that.
drongbu lobsang: So so so this is why I think uh that's why I was saying I think you know Kevin and uh you uh you know can do it. So because now it's all about further chart for the root text the steps actually are very clear we just like you know collect all the existing translations generate like all the term base so create this you know um interlinear gloss.

00:50:06

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Extract all the terms. Uh so we have like you know database with all the terms from the text and different you know uh translation possibilities for each term. Right. Yeah. So once we have this we just need to have a very clear description. So the requirements for the translation what style which uh you know person etc. I mean who's the who are the target readers? Uh what style needs to be there how technical it should be etc. Yeah. and then basically run a skill uh to select you know one uh term per uh you know 20 term.
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: So, can I interrupt you here? Basically,
drongbu lobsang: Go ahead.
Jennifer Yo: for me, two things. For the English version, I think Kevin and I and whoever you know Dun,
drongbu lobsang: Mhm.
Jennifer Yo: we we work with Evan for one meeting. Evan, please share with us how you did for Abidama. You you know how the Abidama plan came out with even the AI translation.

00:51:03

Jennifer Yo: So we need to sort of a knowledge transfer from you. Then we make a plan for the English version of Bara Aara. for the Chinese uh loss lab. I would just request you please double check if Sammy did the alignment because I remember for remittance translation project the AI this was something Sammy was helping but maybe she didn't do but a
drongbu lobsang: the alignment alignment I think need to do again check again
Jennifer Yo: tara
drongbu lobsang: because yesterday and he asked me to do a line according to the source text which is a Sanskrit and there's a difference between Sanskrit in the Tibetan the sources of Sanskrit there
Jennifer Yo: Right. Right.
drongbu lobsang: are missing verses in in the Tibetan there's in the Sanskrit but they are missing in the
Jennifer Yo: I understand.
drongbu lobsang: Tibetan this is what we aligned already most maybe
Jennifer Yo: Right.
drongbu lobsang: 95% of them are correct but somehow we have to adjust
Jennifer Yo: Okay. Okay. Some Yeah. But that Sammy did the Chinese,
drongbu lobsang: no

00:52:03

Jennifer Yo: right? Am I do I remember correctly?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yes, with uh Tibetan version.
Jennifer Yo: Right. Yeah. So there it's actually there. We just need to further correct it.
drongbu lobsang: That's
Jennifer Yo: So I think Evan raised Evan want to say
drongbu lobsang: right.
Jennifer Yo: something.
Evan Yerburgh: That was an accident. I was just trying to go for a thumbs up when you said I could pronounce.
Jennifer Yo: Oh, I see. I see. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So but uh I think now one more knowledge transfer is very much required. I don't know if it's Tashi, if it's Tiger Boy. I don't remember Tiger Boy's English, but we need to understand how he did the Tibetan part because everything need to consolidate, you know.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: So, how is this English? I don't quite remember.
drongbu lobsang: No, no, his English is not that good. He can communicate.
Jennifer Yo: So,
drongbu lobsang: He can communicate in English, no problem.

00:53:01

drongbu lobsang: But he he doesn't have the level of English in order to you know to edit translations or you know this kind of
Jennifer Yo: No, no, no.
drongbu lobsang: things.
Jennifer Yo: I mean for him to tell us what he has been doing for
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. This definitely Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Tibetan sufficient for that.
drongbu lobsang: His English is Yeah. Definitely good enough. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: So,
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: so Lobson can help Lobson basically manage this project and he
drongbu lobsang: That's right.
Jennifer Yo: can loan like can you organize this meetings like with Tiger Boy with Evan and and then we can see how to move
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: forward.
drongbu lobsang: The the first first thing I think you look at the root text aligning all the languages. Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Yeah. But to do it properly,
drongbu lobsang: Then
Jennifer Yo: we I would like to know how Tiger Boy did for the Tibetan
drongbu lobsang: okay.

00:53:50

Jennifer Yo: version.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. version actually how he did I did with the aligning. No,
Jennifer Yo: You did it.
drongbu lobsang: Tiger Boy. No, no, Tiger Boy has been focusing on you know the text and commentaries uh you
Jennifer Yo: Oh,
drongbu lobsang: know segmenting the commentaries into verses and you know preparing the Tibetan data.
Jennifer Yo: I see.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: I see. Okay. You know to get Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: But coming back to the Chinese version,
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: I think to get Tun and Timlay to agree to let us use their material since time is very tight. I don't know if the Tibetan version can be shown properly in we Buddhist
drongbu lobsang: Mhm.
Jennifer Yo: app. If it's possible, please launch that then. Ji uh Yishup if he's possible he travel or maybe Dunjuk go with us we go with the Tibetan version to then show them actually if they can offer their Chinese material we will show the same thing is it
drongbu lobsang: Yeah,

00:54:52

Jennifer Yo: possible I don't know how far you are in the Tibetan
drongbu lobsang: it is possible. So,
Jennifer Yo: version
drongbu lobsang: uh uh Jennifer, the way we do it is that we start actually just with a few days. We don't need to have the whole text.
Jennifer Yo: yeah that's fine But we need to have something concrete to show them.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah, exactly. So,
Jennifer Yo: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: this
Jennifer Yo: So pictures,
drongbu lobsang: is
Jennifer Yo: illustrations need to have a matching cover and the content need to make sense. Commentaries need to be linked properly. So we have something to show because Tun have very high standard.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: They would not say yes unless they're confident we will be able to show it properly. They're not wo is easy to to be content. Tlay is the opposite but
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Okay. That's good to know.
Jennifer Yo: I don't know if uh your tech team and you also the s the current Tibetan data how well can we do it and then also need to check Wendy's illustrations she has been painting different subjects so I don't know

00:55:54

drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: if it's matching with the
drongbu lobsang: Okay. So,
Jennifer Yo: plan.
drongbu lobsang: I think the best way to do it is that uh you know Dundr and you know for the Trean version. So Dundr, Tiger Boy, Lozang, you know, they meet look at the the the data and,
Jennifer Yo: Yes.
drongbu lobsang: you know,
Jennifer Yo: Yes.
drongbu lobsang: prepare prepare a version for tomorrow or something like this.
Jennifer Yo: Yeah. One week or something.
drongbu lobsang: I think just a few days.
Jennifer Yo: Seven days.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah, a few days.
Jennifer Yo: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: So that's what I did with I prepared, you know, six days, showed her, she gives some feedback, we update, show her again, give some feedback, etc. So I think can have also the web version you know ready uh probably you know later today or tomorrow because it's very efficient. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Can we uh can we at the moment uh Lana Wendy is there right? Can can you share screen where where is this what is the status of her illustration

00:56:46

drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: regarding Bodhicara of Tara?
drongbu lobsang: She she was saying she has not done much right.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Okay. I send this
drongbu lobsang: So, one second. One second. One second. Yeah. So,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: so
Jennifer Yo: Huh?
drongbu lobsang: for Wendy, it should be in Obsidian. Okay. You can put images in Obsidian. There's actually a page for assets and then you you can actually insert you can insert the uh you know the images in the plan. Yeah. Just like we insert citations you know with transclusions. We have the root text in middle of the Yeah. You can also display images. Okay. So, so Wendy again like you know we're sharing a Google Drive. I'm sure it's her personal drive and yeah, it's just like you know things are the Okay. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Okay Jay Jay I saw your link.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.

00:57:42

drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah,
Jennifer Yo: What is other one and other two?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: I'm not sure if
Jennifer Yo: Is she there? Maybe you can translate for her because we are here to try to understand the status of
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Oh.
Jennifer Yo: each thing. Is someone talking?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah, Kevin is asking her
Jennifer Yo: Can she hear me?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: uh
Kevin Shakya: Yeah, you can save
drongbu lobsang: Wait a second.
Jennifer Yo: Google Drive. Oh, Wendy's here.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Jennifer Yo: Okay. Okay. So take a other one other system.
drongbu lobsang: What music is
Jennifer Yo: Oh,
drongbu lobsang: it?
Jennifer Yo: okay. But basically we have a few cover we can use.
drongbu lobsang: Mhm.
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: So it should be sufficient for a few days plan. Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Right.
Jennifer Yo: Okay. Okay. So we just need uh the one I think Tiger boy.
drongbu lobsang: One
Jennifer Yo: He's the one who has been breaking the practice plan, right?

01:00:13

drongbu lobsang: peace.
Jennifer Yo: preparing the crisis plan inter.
tashi dhondup: Sorry. Can I say something about
Jennifer Yo: Yes. Yes.
tashi dhondup: this?
Jennifer Yo: Yes.
tashi dhondup: I need
drongbu lobsang: Good.
Jennifer Yo: Hey
tashi dhondup: Oh, sorry.
drongbu lobsang: Good.
Jennifer Yo: K.
tashi dhondup: Uh last night I talked with Tiger Boy about the structure of content and he has he has a three different uh structures.
Jennifer Yo: Mhm.
tashi dhondup: It's a but the three of them is different. Oh, it's I can't hear the
Jennifer Yo: Oh.
tashi dhondup: echo.
Jennifer Yo: Oh, no problem. Oh,
drongbu lobsang: What?
tashi dhondup: That's
Jennifer Yo: different.
tashi dhondup: okay.
drongbu lobsang: Cover.
tashi dhondup: Okay,
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Anyway,
tashi dhondup: brother Robert.
drongbu lobsang: so uh Jennifer for the the structure in Tibetan I think maybe the in different language maybe people will want something slightly different for Tibetan we we already finalized you know with Tiger Boy we had a this you know meeting yesterday.
Jennifer Yo: and
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. So basically we start with the refuge from the text.

01:02:04

drongbu lobsang: Uh the four immeasurable thoughts then
Jennifer Yo: Mhm.
drongbu lobsang: the yeah number two for immeasurable thoughts. Number three we have the uh you know the vows of Buddhist Buddhisa from the text.
Jennifer Yo: when you say number one or number two you mean first day second day or first week second
drongbu lobsang: Okay. No no no no in the same day.
Jennifer Yo: week oh the structure on the same day I see I see
drongbu lobsang: in the same day the structure of a plane in the same day. Yeah,
Jennifer Yo: okay I see I see
drongbu lobsang: that's what troop is talking about saying that boy has three different versions is three different
Jennifer Yo: okay I see three.
drongbu lobsang: version of this and this is all in the vault.
Jennifer Yo: I see.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: I see.
drongbu lobsang: So maybe actually lod should help you to set up the you know the vault on your
Jennifer Yo: Mhm. No,
drongbu lobsang: computer.
Jennifer Yo: it's already on my computer. It's on my computer.
drongbu lobsang: You have it.

01:02:53

drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Jennifer Yo: I have Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Okay. Good. Good. Yeah, that's
Jennifer Yo: So let's focus on I still feel if we got one meeting to understand
drongbu lobsang: it.
Jennifer Yo: the Tibetan version then one meeting with the Aan for the translation because that's something Kevin can already start helping with right and then so one meeting with the
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Yes, sir.
Jennifer Yo: Aan and then maybe Lan can help with really structure that how to how to make sure that you know if he is actually on top of how things are progressing. What? what everyone is
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: doing.
drongbu lobsang: So I I will give a I will do a um knowledge transfer session you know to log zone. So basically there's you know in terms of you know for example to general translation and plans uh there's
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: like you know the MVP version which is really the minimum that we need and then there's like you know the a series of optional improvements right optimizations of what is there.

01:03:54

drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: So I want to make sure that you know we're really clear on what is the minimum you know that we need and then all the other things are optional and we can add you know if it improves or not.
Jennifer Yo: Okay. But I want to have a very clear answer from your whoever working on Tibetan version.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: If we are want to get Chinese per no permission from Tinder and Tinlay, I want to know will the Tibetan part be ready by next week?
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: If it's possible, I will organ I will arrange a meeting next week.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah,
Jennifer Yo: But if it's not going to be ready,
drongbu lobsang: it's
Jennifer Yo: I don't want to start the connection, you know, the making appointments.
drongbu lobsang: uh I think the most time consuming part for the Tibetan as far as Tibetan is concerned the if we're talking about six days or 10 days in Tibetan the most time consuming will be the illustrations the the content itself is much easier.
Jennifer Yo: No illustrations.

01:04:53

drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Jennifer Yo: Now she has already one or two. She write two I think already ready to go. So we only use those
drongbu lobsang: So,
Jennifer Yo: two.
drongbu lobsang: so that means you have your answer. So, yes, it will be ready for next week and you can schedule the meeting next
Jennifer Yo: Yeah. So we'll use first two for it can be used for chapter one and chapter
drongbu lobsang: week.
Jennifer Yo: two. The other one and other two those two the style I think is good. And so Wendy just told me she's happy to work on other ones based on these two.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Okay.
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: So answer is yes.
Jennifer Yo: So
drongbu lobsang: Uh the answer is yes. So the the content for a few days definitely we can guarantee it's finished by the end of the
Jennifer Yo: yeah.
drongbu lobsang: you know of this week and I can be the you know uh you know if
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: like you know everything else else fails you know I can take responsibility spend you know a few hours and make sure that it's there that's because I did this for one more you know in English and yeah so yeah but as a worst case scenario yeah otherwise I shouldn't be in the picture because otherwise yeah

01:05:54

Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: I many things.
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Then I will I will contact him like to have a a meeting.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Good.
tashi dhondup: Thank
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Uh one thing Droop you will have to do is to work on the Tibetan localization.
tashi dhondup: you.
drongbu lobsang: Make sure that the Tibetan in the app you know is uh correct because there were some mistakes. And Evan uh yeah Evan and Kong I don't know uh how to you know organize but yeah please note this and this is something we need to we need to have a release of the app before at the end of this week that has corrected Tibetan in the UI. Okay.
tashi dhondup: Okay. Now,
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
tashi dhondup: oh sorry the tiger has already has three different uh structures of content uh and he is waiting for your confir final
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
tashi dhondup: confirmation. Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay,
tashi dhondup: And also he has no access to our studio and he doesn't know

01:06:51

drongbu lobsang: good.
tashi dhondup: the features of our studio. So he he himself created some uh simple plans but there are lots of explains. So it will be lot of content in the daily practice content.
Jennifer Yo: You mean too much. You mean too much
tashi dhondup: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
tashi dhondup: And yeah so I just explain him the we need don't need much that much
Jennifer Yo: content.
tashi dhondup: and then so he anyway he's waiting for anti uh finally decision so you please please you must reach him today or
drongbu lobsang: Okay. So,
tashi dhondup: now and then decide then it will be clear for both uh Chinese and Tibarian English as well. Yeah. Uh okay. And number two is he need to be joined in the studio.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
tashi dhondup: Uh
drongbu lobsang: So,
Jennifer Yo: Oh.
drongbu lobsang: so two two things you know for that. So,
tashi dhondup: okay.
drongbu lobsang: uh Evan uh yeah I guess it's a question for Kang and Evan.
Evan Yerburgh: Jesus.
drongbu lobsang: Uh can you know is the uh you know the staging app already deploy or not?

01:08:05

drongbu lobsang: Can we use it or not? with content from the the real thing.
Evan Yerburgh: Not yet. Um,
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Okay. Okay. That's it.
Evan Yerburgh: let's Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: I think Yeah, that's all I wanted to hear now.
Evan Yerburgh: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: So, okay. So, Oh, yeah. Loz just left.
Evan Yerburgh: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. I wanted to So, basically, uh yeah, one thing actually. Okay. Maybe let's wait for Lozan to come back. Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: Can I ask a question then while we're waiting for the Tibetan in the app?
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: Is it the sizing like it's cutting off some letters or like not displaying the letters properly or is it also like we didn't translate all the UI for Tibetan like and it falls back to English or
drongbu lobsang: No,
Evan Yerburgh: both like what should we fix oh
drongbu lobsang: there there's some mistakes in the there's some mistakes and I think something's missing. Yeah,
Evan Yerburgh: sorry in the text the content side

01:08:49

drongbu lobsang: I don't think it's more about the actual content. Yeah.
tashi dhondup: Uh,
drongbu lobsang: And and and we need like a Yeah,
tashi dhondup: I'm Boys.
Evan Yerburgh: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: we need actually I think maybe a better way to add. I think for Chinese maybe it might be the same thing. I'm not sure if the Chinese in the app, you know, is all like, you know, the buttons, etc. I don't know if the Chinese is correct everywhere. Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Is not correct. Same thing.
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah. We we're about to implement like a like software to so we can do all the
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: languages at the same time and then we'll need translators to check all that's kind of automate the
drongbu lobsang: Okay. So,
Evan Yerburgh: UI.
drongbu lobsang: so when when we say we are about to uh what does that mean?
Evan Yerburgh: I mean I have the tongen needs to install toi and then once that's installed then we then inside the toi app we every like element gets like a field for each language and then we can add it

01:09:45

drongbu lobsang: No, no. So, so,
Jennifer Yo: But we have done
drongbu lobsang: so I'm asking for a
Evan Yerburgh: um our timeline I'm not sure because we're we're busy with
Jennifer Yo: this.
drongbu lobsang: timeline.
Evan Yerburgh: a lot of stuff but if it's like a top priority we could prioritize
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. So, so no, no. So if you know he hasn't installed TG what is the fallback
Evan Yerburgh: Then he has to go
drongbu lobsang: option?
Jennifer Yo: I'm sorry the lo can I interrupt the localization for the app we've done two three
Evan Yerburgh: to
Jennifer Yo: times already you have the translations
drongbu lobsang: Yeah but there's still some problems there still there still are some problems Jennifer. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Sense,
drongbu lobsang: And and this will keep happening you know until the you know all the features are very stable because if we add a new feature we need new localization
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: right.
Evan Yerburgh: But installing to toi will make it so that we don't lose anything like we've lost before.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah.

01:10:31

Jennifer Yo: right? Ideally, we only need to translate what hasn't been done before.
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: And transfer over to the news from the
Jennifer Yo: Yeah. transfer the existing ones.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: Exactly.
tashi dhondup: Oh, sorry. I have one question. The local Tibetan localization.
Jennifer Yo: Yeah.
tashi dhondup: So if I correct the Tibetan localization uh to whom I have to contact with the AAN or ahan
drongbu lobsang: Evan.
Evan Yerburgh: Come at me.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Evan.
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah.
tashi dhondup: okay
drongbu lobsang: Evan.
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah.
tashi dhondup: oh Allah say yeah.
Jennifer Yo: So,
Evan Yerburgh: Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: do we contact Evan and Kam in Discord or in
drongbu lobsang: in this
Jennifer Yo: WhatsApp?
Evan Yerburgh: in Discord like there's a UX channel.
drongbu lobsang: card.
Evan Yerburgh: It's like UX feedback is fine or just to press direct message to is fine.
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Okay. Okay. So, regarding you know the for example tiger boy waiting for me and you know waiting for me to say this and that etc. Yeah.

01:11:37

drongbu lobsang: So as part of your job as coordination yeah the one thing is you know to organize uh uh you know testing sessions I mean this this was part of the job description right yeah user testing sessions yeah anyway it doesn't matter so kung uh kung for example for the BDRC uh tool that we're using now to do the main you know outline and the work twice a week uh kung and users you know we have a session uh where We actually observe how they use the tool, where are the problems. Uh we listen to their feedback, we discuss etc. Uh and so to Yeah. And it really helps you know for things to move forward. Yeah. So in terms of the content, what should be the structure etc. Uh it shouldn't be my decision. Yeah. Uh uh it shouldn't be waiting for me or my decision. I mean we need to actually just like you know make sure at least twice a week we have this session. Yeah. A user testing session, our dog fooding session.

01:12:36

drongbu lobsang: That's the the technical term in uh tech. Uh dog dog feeding. Dog fooding I think it's called. Yeah. Is it dog fooding or dog feeding? Dog fooding. Yeah. Yeah. Dog food. Uh so we we need two dog fooding sessions where we have like you know actual users and the tech people etc. you know testing the app and giving feedback live. Yeah. And based on that we know we keep you know improving etc. Yeah. So uh the coordination organ scheduling you know this I think lockdown you should do okay I'm getting scary you should have given me so much respons scheduling scheduling yeah and Evan will Evan will be very happy actually to have this yeah so
Evan Yerburgh: It has let.
drongbu lobsang: I think it's better loves on schedules than Evan right Evan is too nice to actually schedule and you know force people to come etc Yeah,
Jennifer Yo: You're saying love
drongbu lobsang: I didn't say that. Yeah,
Jennifer Yo: songs.
drongbu lobsang: I was trying to find a funny comment about this.

01:13:38

drongbu lobsang: Okay. Anyway, uh so that's it. So I think yeah and Lozan is you know uh you know there for he's more senior senior.
Jennifer Yo: Yeah,
drongbu lobsang: Yeah,
Jennifer Yo: he's more senior.
drongbu lobsang: he's more senior and he has a beard. Uh Evan doesn't have beard. So yeah.
Jennifer Yo: That's
drongbu lobsang: Anyway, so that's it I think. Yeah. So and basically the decision should be coming from you know these using us user sessions. Yeah. So I I will be you know in the user sessions. If I'm not in user sessions and you know my ideas doesn't get through you know then it's uh you know my uh um loss. Yeah. Uh but basically it shouldn't be you know waiting for me. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Jennifer Yo: I I put the link of 84,000. Do you want to talk about that?
drongbu lobsang: Sure.
Jennifer Yo: I think I put it there.
drongbu lobsang: So we can Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: Right.

01:14:25

Jennifer Yo: One second. I'm
drongbu lobsang: tonight. Uh yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Yo: driving.
drongbu lobsang: If everyone can have a look like Yeah. Actually there's 84,000 and there's the No. Can you send in the group Jennifer the link?
Jennifer Yo: I thought I put it here.
drongbu lobsang: Where is
tashi dhondup: I think sorry Antila and Tiger Boy is online now.
drongbu lobsang: here?
Jennifer Yo: Huh?
tashi dhondup: Can you invite him now?
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. We're inviting him. Yeah. Yeah.
tashi dhondup: network.
drongbu lobsang: Sure.
tashi dhondup: Okay, I send it
drongbu lobsang: In this call and he should have like the notes from this call.
Jennifer Yo: It's Oh, sorry. I didn't for
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, you can look at the So, H4,000 they created like a they have a new website which is very nice.
Jennifer Yo: links.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. And uh for the Buddhist specifically, Sandra has a new it's a few days ago they launched like you know a new uh Buddhist.org.

01:15:29

drongbu lobsang: Okay. So here you can see like uh uh the TEDRA website I mean A4000 they have new website with a new reading room etc. Yeah. So this is like you know for our reading room also it can give us like you know some uh inspiration but al I think more importantly it should remind us that you know our main product is not uh in-depth study platform of text right
tashi dhondup: Oh, thank you. Get
drongbu lobsang: oh yeah yeah okay yeah so uh and if you go on the chart one it's the Buddhist chart So they have actually four commentaries at the bottom. Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: Andy, can you share your screen so I can see
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Yeah. So this is the link I shared but uh yeah. Okay. Here. So this is the new 84000. They changed their their thing. They have reading room you know right here. Discover experience. Learn. Yeah. Uh, okay. That's quite nice. Yeah.

01:16:58

drongbu lobsang: Oh, tandra is fire collections are trees. Discourses is water. Discipline is mountain. Okay. Nice. I'm not sure if there's a a reason for this, but anyway. Uh yeah, so they they did a lot of work, you know, on this and they have like, you know, the you can compare TR. Uh that's nicer than before the introduction actually was you had the right to scroll for the whole thing. Then you have the text and you can compare with the in there and here is just the source text. Yeah. So, uh that's it. So that's their, you know, new website. Jennifer, anything more you want to say about it?
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: No, I think the the main thing about sharing the HF,000 new website also want to show that actually in the Buddhist world what that what kind of standard is already set you know and if we Buddhist project want to be successful and have secured funding this the this is at least where we need to reach.

01:18:12

Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: So the the organization and you know the quality of work we are doing here it needs to uh aim to at least uh be similar to what 84,000 is able to do. But that's my personal opinion.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: I don't know about
drongbu lobsang: Yeah, that's that's very good.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: others.
drongbu lobsang: Very good feedback. So, Kunzang uh yeah, I think Kunzang this is mainly since this is the web version, right? The web study platform. So, Kunzong and Evan, I think yeah, that's a a very good thing to look at for the our web version, right? Okay. Uh, and I think they also have like different languages or is it just Chinese and English? No. Oh, no, it's not there yet. No, it's only English.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: No,
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: no, they have Chinese version also.
drongbu lobsang: No, they don't have yet. It says there is no Chinese language organization in reading room. Yeah.

01:19:07

Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: another reading room but their main website has
drongbu lobsang: Their main website has Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: but I think it's not just for Kungang and uh Aan it's for the whole all the team members that we should have the same goal and actually I think it's important that everyone
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: feel the you know the ownership of wanting to achieve together you achieve this goal together instead of waiting for you to give orders to
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: us.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. So for for this I think the main I think one big difference will happen when we start to have the uh two sessions uh you know like you know user testing you know for the uh we really saw the difference you know with the uh BC project with the
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Mhm.
drongbu lobsang: uh project with BDRC. Yeah. Okay. This one now is empty. Oh no it's not empty. Okay. So now it's just articles. Uh that's good.

01:20:13

drongbu lobsang: So then you have like the the other thing I wanted to show is the other thing. So you you got the link, right? And so here they did this for Buddhist. I think they're working for on one or two other texts. So they're trying to do like very little quantity but very high quality. Yeah. And so they have like you know different translations. They have different you know commentaries.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Mhm.
drongbu lobsang: So some commentaries have more oh yeah on the ninth chapter you have some extra you know commentaries. So here they have like you know etra has been sponsoring you know the translation of lo you know by macar etc.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Bam.
drongbu lobsang: So they own the translations. So these are all the original translations from you know from them. So for in-depth um you know study this is you know very nice uh this is quite similar to a lot of the you know the features you know we try to build and so that's why yeah for this one also I think it's a very good uh um you know baseline for you know our red version in depth study right but the one thing I want to add

01:21:16

Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Huh? Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: to this is that also like you know our our main another session. Yeah. Uh our uh yeah uh our main focus also is not really like you know the tier two remember like you know the different audiences. So we have like tier one scholars, tier two more like advanced students. So actually the uh buddies are at our website with all different languages, different commentaries and all this. This is really more targeting tier two people really want to go in depth. And then we have tier three which are uh you know more casual Buddhists, people who identify as Buddhists but who want to have like five minutes you know of practice or study a day. Yeah. Uh and so so I think really like you know for at least for this year our main focus should really be like this tier three uh with the five minutes content very good notifications getting keeping people engaged uh you know in very small you know practice yeah and uh yeah so this thing and then you know involving uh content creators and different lines etc as much as possible.

01:22:23

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. So for the daratara our goal is you know as soon as we have the text and plans you know in there uh then you know and when the audio is you know working well in the then to add video uh and then we'll ask like you know different llamas different content creators to create like you know this uh two minutes introduction to the day's content right uh that's it so we we'll give like you know the priority to you know like big in Tibetan at least you know give the priority to big llamas for the verses that they want uh so We we last year we already like you know tested the waters with that you know we asked which verse he prefers sorry which verse you know prefers and so we can keep doing this and so that's a job for yin group and ton for all the the teachers you know are in Taiwan who come to Taiwan and then we need to reach out uh in India also maybe reach out to more people so I think if we do this very well for the Buddhist first and the um Yeah, for the with each other you know for the Tibetan world and then for the uh you know Abida and uh Dhabada for the terra world uh yeah then we'll have like a very good baseline also to move forward.

01:23:38

drongbu lobsang: So tonight I'm going to have a meeting with actually 84,000 people and we'll we'll discuss actually how to collaborate you know on the text that we're working on. Uh yeah and so again here I I will try I will try to make it very clear we're not actually competing with them. We're not trying to do the same thing which is to have like you know a place where we have all the text to in-depth study etc. Our goal is really to build five minutes daily habit you know of uh you know practice very light you know study etc. But all of this should be grounded in the text in the original text. But in-depth text study is not our main uh uh you know service or our main like you know project. Our project is really you know daily five minutes habit you know practice. So and based on the Buddha's you know summary uh which is do a little bit little bit less harm than yesterday. A little bit more good than yesterday knowing our mind a little bit better than yesterday.

01:24:34

drongbu lobsang: That's it. Yep. Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Maybe some feedback from everyone who's here. We talk so much. Any feedbacks,
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: questions?
drongbu lobsang: G.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah. Okay. I have a question. Who is in charge of like networking and also contacting the uh vision partners? So, who who is doing this job? Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. So for the for vision partners uh the Tibetan side of things. Yeah. For the Tibetan side and Tundra. Okay. So going to different centers etc. So I think it's easier for them and you know to reach out you know to uh these centers and for the centers that the Jennifer has you know uh already like you know relationship with uh then she's in charge of that. Okay. So for example to uh the you know SI etc. I mean you you have like you know some connection you know there.

01:25:55

drongbu lobsang: I think if now you go back with Jennifer, it will be very different because she, you know, she's she has like a closer connection with him, right?
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: No,
drongbu lobsang: Uh yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: with that side I think Jay has closer connection the closest
drongbu lobsang: Yes.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: connection because of her mother. But anyway, no my I think to answer Jay's question my understanding is the
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: vision partners are very important. We need to actually go to each one of them uh personally just like if we are going to meet no sorry to so uh I think Jay you we will work together for the Chinese speaking people
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: and but we cannot communicate with llama so well like yes and
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: dunu you know they when they talk to them there's a difference between we talking to them. So I think we just have to work together and ideally uh we

01:27:00

drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: connect them to the with with this products but at the same time we should also get feedback from them once they start using it and bring the feedbacks back to uh the team to improve it.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Two.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: So it's a bit like customer service kind of. That's my understanding.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Can I add thing on this because like the the work like Jay and Kevin have been doing you know that we had planned for this year you know reaching to a lot and you know identifying very high uh you know people who have very large audience you know start to work with them. Yeah. So I you know we had discussions about this in the past you know days and couple of weeks.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah I also thought about this you know quite a lot and so I think like you know as I said the beginning of
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah.

01:27:53

drongbu lobsang: this call so the target for you two actually was mainly like you know the Chinese Mayan groups right and this didn't work I think we just have to be realistic and it didn't work so let's stop it you know for now. uh uh so for the Chinese Mahayana uh you know groups let's start only with the um influence awards so next January we try to get as many you know high level uh you know for example Dharmad drum and you know Buddhaite etc try to have high level partnerships for the influencer award not for the app that we know right now because they already have their own apps we don't know what they need and as you were saying you know probably they don't need an app yeah so let's not like you know keep pushing there if you know we don't have like you know a guarantee we get results. Okay. So this is uh basically this part of the project is closed because it didn't work. Uh we learned some lessons and you know we stop this. Okay.

01:28:49

drongbu lobsang: So that means like you know from now at least like you know uh yeah from now we focus just on the uh for Taiwan is only 100% on the Buddhist. Okay. Let's make the Buddhist plan you know work very well. All the Tibetan and we focus on the Tibetan Buddhist centers. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Oh,
drongbu lobsang: So Tibetan Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: so in Malaysia and Vietnam,
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: no like campa has so many networks
drongbu lobsang: Exactly. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: there.
drongbu lobsang: But it's all Tibetan Buddhism,
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah,
drongbu lobsang: right?
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: it's Tibetan Buddhist centers.
drongbu lobsang: So we focus on Tibetan Buddhists and we focused on the Buddhist. Yeah. because this it's much easier to convince people actually to be part of this because we have Dal Lama who did such a good job at advertising this text and you know most llamas actually they they will you know they cannot really say that this is not the most important text.

01:29:41

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Uh that's it. So let's focus on this. Let's make it you know a success and we can after a few months we can you know come back and you know reassess you know the situ.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: So,
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: so now what did go Rome say yesterday when you were doing the meeting? What was the conclusion from that
drongbu lobsang: The conclusion with Gasaru is that you know just like you know uh basically it's his uh
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: meeting?
drongbu lobsang: attendant who's like you know the manager of all the centers. Yeah. Uh so is in touch with him. So he said you know just like you know prepare you know the plan and you know something to show you know and he will reach out to all his centers and they want it in Chinese and they will announcement because they said you know he cannot force everyone to do it but he can
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah. Yeah.

01:30:27

drongbu lobsang: announce and say this is a great thing and you should do it but and you could do it but he cannot just like you know give an order
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: and force everyone to do it. Okay. So this this it won't do and then so we asked like you know two things. So this was one thing I requested also you know whether they you know I mentioned that we give
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: the opportunity for centers to add one page you know on their website. So we showed like you know the website one was website and we said you know this is something you could do and he said okay for this uh you know show me also something and I will discuss with uh you know each center uh to see you know if they want to add it to their website or not. Okay. Uh uh so that's one thing and uh uh yeah that was like you know the first
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: request that we made and the second request was you know that he be an adviser for the we Buddhist you know project and so that that's actually something that is related to the

01:31:19

Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Hey.
drongbu lobsang: marketing website on the marketing website we want to have a list of like you know 50 different llamas and monks
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Hey.
drongbu lobsang: and uh you know puzz and you know whoever uh you know who are advisers you know to the Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Oh,
drongbu lobsang: And so he agreed to be and he gave actually started to give some advice and very good advice. Uh and so uh that's it.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: right.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: So I think actually if it's a sort of copying what you just said actually because Jay knows Kemple Nonu really well and he and Kemple uh what's the current president they are now in charge of the Tibetan association in Taiwan. So ideally Jay can have a meeting with them once we have the sample plan ready to they can do something similar to announce to their members that this is possible.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: J and works really well together
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: And uh I think this Sunday we they have a saga.

01:32:29

Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: event.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: So many llamas are going there. So yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: in right is that the one you told me.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: We are planning to participate at event and
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: So, if we can put it up and see
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: we short presentation during this event.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: guys.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: It will maybe like make a really big difference.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Is it possible?
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah. So I think we need to ask uh for the permission to do the
drongbu lobsang: Thank you. Uh,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: short uh presentation and I I uh already created uh a slide to to you know we can send it to Lama Foundation and we need their permission.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: So, it's all up to uh
drongbu lobsang: Okay,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Okay.

01:33:25

drongbu lobsang: that's a very good point uh J. So that means like you know if we're targeting Sunday that means we need to have like a few days plan ready uh in Chinese first. I think that's the most important Chinese number one and Tibetan you know can be good too. Yeah. So Tibetan I think uh yeah we've you know basically troop and etc. they can I mean they already have some plans it's just about uploading them you know making sure they're there. Yeah. Uh so yes and can collaborate. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, and Jennifer actually the the app already has like a Chinese plan and so now it's just about like you know going through it together and making sure that you know it is something that we're happy to show. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: The app already have vol plan in Chinese.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: only the draft.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah,
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Oh, I see.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: it's but now now we need to work on it discuss see how to improve it and then

01:34:23

Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay. Okay.
drongbu lobsang: we have something to show this and that.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Right.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay,
drongbu lobsang: That's it.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: just tell me how to see it.
drongbu lobsang: And and we can say this is a draft because it's starting at the end of the month,
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: right? Yeah. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: 15.
drongbu lobsang: And so maybe we want to have a web version too that we can add you know on our website. Okay. So we can make a a fake you know Canva fake Canva website of a center. Yeah. And so okay so this is the website for this center and you know see they have added this and so every day people can see uh something like this.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: So if we can do a presentation and hopefully maybe more than 10 or you know 20 alumnas from different centers they may be interested and they will contact and we don't need to you know contact

01:35:09

drongbu lobsang: Y
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: each
drongbu lobsang: I again. You Okay. So I think now it's things are more clear. So Jennifer actually as the uh content editor you already have some work because there's a plan in Chinese that needs to be reviewed and get feedback and communication to
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah, I can work with
drongbu lobsang: the uh you know in Chinese about how to participate in the project.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: them.
drongbu lobsang: Uh so Kevin and Jay prepared some slides and it needs to be reviewed and get feedback too. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay. But do you think we need to do you want to have the presentation to share this on Sunday? Is it something we want to try or maybe better not do
drongbu lobsang: I think we should try.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: it?
drongbu lobsang: I think the basically there's already the plan in the app. Maybe it needs a little bit of fixing,
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: you know, here and there, but overall it's already there.

01:36:57

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. And Gazi can work with you know Yesh or you know whoever to uh um you know actually Evan I think would be better uh I mean it's fine or Evan basically to add like you know the Tibetan plan. Yeah in the editor and then that's it. So if we have like the Tibetan Tibetan plan and the Chinese plan a few days that we can show. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: that have like the illustration plus the slides uh you know to show how to participate in the project. Uh we're good to go,
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay. So,
drongbu lobsang: right?
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: can someone help with making sure how many days we want to show? And now we have Wendy's illustration so we finalize it and then Jay can contact him on about wanting to have a short
drongbu lobsang: Sure.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: presentation.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Who who can help confirm the days?
drongbu lobsang: Sorry.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Does someone have to confirm number of days?

01:38:09

Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Maybe first
drongbu lobsang: The first is a lot of data.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: chapter
drongbu lobsang: This is too much.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: like three per day. This will be 12
drongbu lobsang: So 36 12.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: minutes.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: Jenna
drongbu lobsang: I mean that's lot but I I think even five days is enough.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: Tummy.
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: uh uh can you hear
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: me?
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. We can hear you. Go ahead.
Evan Yerburgh: Okay.
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: Yeah.
Evan Yerburgh: Okay.
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: So I have a question that I was working on kind of uh uh Tibetan uh plans and I already have one uh kind of one plan the first plan as a example and uh I have a concern that I don't know how my plan I made is fit into the website. So how many sections can have how how to uh how to connect the root text and the commentaries and summaries on the website. So because I don't know I didn't see the uh we Buddhist stadium so I don't know how many sections are there and so last time I and uh Dundu I think we uh we talk about this and then I don't really know it's a fit or not because the plan I produced I made and the the we Buddhist state I think have to be

01:39:35

drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: matched.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. So, basically, you just need uh someone to help you to uh yeah, you you need to know how to use the studio. Uh so, either Evan Y could do could show you too. I guess Evan maybe is a little bit more up to date than Yes.
Evan Yerburgh: Try I can share how to use
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Evan Yerburgh: it.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Okay. So,
tashi dhondup: Another
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: can you meet?
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: So, I will look I will look that with Evan.
drongbu lobsang: Yeah. Yeah. You talk to Okay. Perfect.
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: So, one last thing because Yeah. I have to leave. Uhang. Yeah. We need to have actually you know the So, basically in the app right now there's the two plans that are live published. one in Chinese, the Buddhist charter in Chinese and Buddhist charter in Tibetan. There's a so these two plans we need to have also an embedded window and we need to create like a a fake uh you know sender website.

01:40:45

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. And embed this you know in there uh to show how it works. That's it. So right now we don't have like we were hoping that Kim could do you know to have this on his website uh but it didn't work. Uh so website. We can add it in website but in Yeah, website could be there or it could be in Yeah, why not? It could be an Android website. Yeah, it's not going to be there for a long time.
tashi dhondup: We Buddhist website.
drongbu lobsang: We with this website I think we with this website uh this is kind of like you know it's not like someone else website. What we want to show is that you know we this will be added to your own personal website, right?
tashi dhondup: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: So if I if I show my my website then people won't connect you know that it's you know different. Yeah. So so that's why maybe creating a central website is better because it will see okay oh this is actually you know uh yeah this could be my website right if we show our own website maybe it will be more difficult to relate to.

01:41:45

drongbu lobsang: That's it. That's why maybe a fake uh sender website will be better in Chinese. Yeah. Uh
tashi dhondup: Huh? That's all right.
drongbu lobsang: okay.
tashi dhondup: Awesome.
drongbu lobsang: So I I just intate and I just made sure you know I confirmed that you know uh decisions of what section should be there what content etc shouldn't wait for me I'm not the one deciding this okay so this should actually happen with uh dog feeding dog fooding sessions yeah okay so for the Chinese content basically we we need to have a few users uh and you know you can start with the team then you know gradually we can add like you know some users and basically who go and test the app and we they share screen on the phone or you know wherever and we see actually how they use and we have also the recording of the user sessions you know from the the back and we can see you know then we can decide you know what needs to be updated is it too long is it too short we need different illustrations or you know whatever okay so it shouldn't be waiting for me and same thing for Tibetan so I think it should be like you know one Chinese uh session and one Tibetan session so the uh yeah okay that's So if it's waiting for me then you know I'm going to be a big bottleneck and actually I don't trust my own judgment you know that much.

01:43:36

drongbu lobsang: Yeah. I think it's much better to have like you know the judgment from users. Yeah. Okay. What are you doing?
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: Do you know
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
tashi dhondup: for
drongbu lobsang: Don't worry. Yeah. Okay.
tashi dhondup: Another
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Gyaltsen Dhargyal: Hallelujah. Yeah. Yeah.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
tashi dhondup: event, please. The localization Even
Evan Yerburgh: Okay.
tashi dhondup: not so young.
drongbu lobsang: Kevin or Kevin or J, can you create a fake center website? With the camera with Canva. with camera. Can you talk in Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: How about one troop? One trailer has a website. One troop.
drongbu lobsang: Oh, one.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Yeah,
drongbu lobsang: Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: ask him. He will let us
drongbu lobsang: I don't know.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: out.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Let Let me try to call him.

01:46:20

drongbu lobsang: board mechan. Yeah. Where is it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't know website. So that's it.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay, we'll find other solutions. Oh.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Uhhuh. Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. So, I think that's a good call. Yeah.
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: So,
drongbu lobsang: So,
Jay Yeshe Gyatso: we need to create a fake uh website. Okay. Yeah.
tashi dhondup: Uh
drongbu lobsang: Jennifer
tashi dhondup: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: say yeah so
tashi dhondup: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: the yeah actually is saying that the dilemma office is asking for the slides
tashi dhondup: Jennifer
drongbu lobsang: okay so we just get yeah yeah yeah he prepared but
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: J said to be prepared.
drongbu lobsang: Jennifer you're the editor you remember.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Oh. Oh. You want me to check?
drongbu lobsang: Yes. Yeah.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay.
drongbu lobsang: Without your we we without your signature you know it cannot go forward. Okay. Okay. So yeah we we need to send it today because it's very short uh deadline. So yeah if you can take five 10 minutes it'll be very good. Yeah. Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay, I'm picking you up. Please be ready.
drongbu lobsang: Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: You need to go to airport 15
drongbu lobsang: What What's your pick of line? Yeah. Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: minutes.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. I'm convinced. 15 minutes. Okay. Okay.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: Okay,
drongbu lobsang: Thank you.
Lots of Rubbish Photos一堆很烂的照片: one.
drongbu lobsang: Okay. Thank you. Cheers.
Evan Yerburgh: Thanks.

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